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02-19-2021 12:28 AM

Topic tags/keywords: plane blade cabinet scraper

Hey LJ’s,

Bought a new Bench Dog number 80 cabinet scraper as it looked like a step up from card scrapers.

Watched Paul Sellers and Stephen Wright tune up their Stanley number 80 cabinet scrapers and saw that I could get a new one.

Arrived in nice black box with rust protection and I got an extra blade just in case.

The blade is a beast. thicker than some plane blades approx 1/8 thick.
Treated the prep for it like a small plane blade watching the two masters and attempting to replicate. But my blade is thicker???? Figured out how to turn a burr edge with Murphy showing the way.

It does some fine curl shavings on pine and walnut. But I’m not getting a smooth run like I get with card scrapers. It chatters as I move the cabinet scraper across , either with or against the grain.

Murphy isn’t telling me what I’m doing right or wrong.

If you have a number 80 Bench Dog Cabinet Scraper from Rockler and it works smoothly maybe you can suggest some techniques?

Usually the fountain of LJ knowledge leads me to aa solution.

Thanks for your input.

-- Cau Haus Designs, Thomas J. Tieffenbacher


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#1 posted 02-19-2021 04:16 AM

Sounds fancy. I often use my card scraper but have yet to buy a cabinet scraper. I would imagine that with a bit of practice you will get the hang of it.

-- Wood for projects is like a good Fart..."better when you cut it yourself" Don't take yourself so seriously. No one else does

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#2 posted 02-19-2021 04:32 AM

Greg,

Snowing in LA?

-- Cau Haus Designs, Thomas J. Tieffenbacher

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#3 posted 02-19-2021 04:38 AM

Too much Burr, need very fine shavings, short direct strokes work best. Lee Valley has a very nice Cabinet scrapper:)

-- Lifting one end of the plank.

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#4 posted 02-19-2021 04:52 AM

Getting the blade set is critical. You can use a couple of pieces of paper on a hard surface, like your table saw, and place the scraper on them. Let the blade drop to the surface, then tighten the screws. That gives you a good starting point. Then turn the screw to get the cut you want.

I used to set the blade level with the sole of the scraper, but have found the paper thickness gives me a better cut.

-- Half of what we read or hear about finishing is right. We just don’t know which half! — Bob Flexner

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#5 posted 02-19-2021 05:02 AM

Rich,

What thickness is your number 80 blade?

-- Cau Haus Designs, Thomas J. Tieffenbacher

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#6 posted 02-19-2021 05:07 AM


Rich,

What thickness is your number 80 blade?

- DocSavage45

Much thinner than you said yours was, but that shouldn’t affect the setup. I just measured it and it’s 3/64”. It’s one of the knockoffs. A Kunz.

I wouldn’t recommend it to anyone since it’s pretty rough out of the box, but I spent considerable time flattening the sole and now it works flawlessly. If anyone asked, I’d suggest they pay the extra few dollars and go with a Veritas.

-- Half of what we read or hear about finishing is right. We just don’t know which half! — Bob Flexner

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#7 posted 02-19-2021 05:45 AM

Thickness won’t matter as you are concerned with the bur. I had trouble with mine and found watching Paul’s video on making the jig and how to file it at 45. It helps to file the way Paul shows you. Once it is 45 degrees then you turn the bur. And as Rich mentioned, some paper(i actually use some thin cardboard that was part of the packaging for superglue or epoxy or something)

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#8 posted 02-19-2021 08:39 AM

Thanks for everyone’s input.
Murphy and I will work at it.

-- Cau Haus Designs, Thomas J. Tieffenbacher

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#9 posted 02-19-2021 12:52 PM


Thickness won’t matter as you are concerned with the bur.

- SMP

I have to disagree that thickness doesn’t matter. The blade needs to flex, just like a card scraper, but held in the plane. That’s why there a center screw to adjust the flex. A blade that’s 1/8” thick won’t flex as easily.

I’m sure Doc can make it work.

-- Half of what we read or hear about finishing is right. We just don’t know which half! — Bob Flexner

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#10 posted 02-19-2021 01:47 PM

just 2 silly questions:
- did you install the blade correctly?
See second drawing here:
https://paulsellers.com/2013/07/cabinet-scrapers-answering-whats-needed-in-real-woodworking-realms/

- did you push it in the right direction? It is a bit disturbing because on a bench plane the blade is inclined backward and on the #80 it is inclined forward.

-- Sylvain, Brussels, Belgium, Europe - The more I learn, the more there is to learn

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#11 posted 02-19-2021 10:21 PM

Sylvian,

Yep,and yep. Thanks!

-- Cau Haus Designs, Thomas J. Tieffenbacher

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#12 posted 02-19-2021 10:30 PM

My Stanley chatters if I have it set for too deep a cut. I got a Veritas scraper plane and I’ve been real impressed with it. Of course the no. 80 can go places the scraper plane can’t.

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#13 posted 02-19-2021 10:34 PM

Rich, Thanks for your confidence.

As I’ve said I use Paul Sellars as a go to. Even made his jig. Steven (SP?) Wright has specific and different sharpening instructions.

The Bench Dog by Rockler is well machined and the Cabinet Scraper came well protected which suggests quality.

I have some nice card scrapers and I turn a burr on them fairly well.

I asked if there was someone with expertise with the Bench Dog 80 because the may have figured it out.

The 1/8th thick blade is like trying to put tension on a plane blade rather than a card scraper.

There was a YouTube video that suggested the thicker blades don’t hold an edge which is frustrating considering several hours on the diamond plates flattening the back.

It’s frustrating but as Jimmy Diresta says “You go to school on the first one!”

-- Cau Haus Designs, Thomas J. Tieffenbacher

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#14 posted 02-19-2021 10:37 PM

Loren,

Thanks for your input about chatter. That’s my concern. I may have overturned the burr on the thick blade and I will try again to see if that’s the case.

Setting the blade per suggestions of flat on surface and with paper last night. Still chatters.

-- Cau Haus Designs, Thomas J. Tieffenbacher

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#15 posted 02-19-2021 10:40 PM

Andre,

I’m sure they do. And I’m going to redo the blade with less burr on it. Hoping the blade is hard enough to maintain the burr. Thanks!

-- Cau Haus Designs, Thomas J. Tieffenbacher

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