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Forum topic by WorksInTheory posted 01-28-2021 07:42 AM 866 views 0 times favorited 21 replies Add to Favorites Watch
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01-28-2021 07:42 AM

Another thing to make me reconsider my purchase of the Bosch 1617 kit. Everything has neen proprietary or more complicated. For example, had to get a a special adapter for bushings. Maybe should have just gotten another Triton.

In any case I am sure many of you know that the Bosch requires 2 wrenches (vs auto collet stop) and as to make things worse, doesn’t seem to raise high enough to change the but above the table.

My question is this: offset wrench or collet extension… which is the better solution? Or is there a 3rd solution?


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#1 posted 01-28-2021 08:10 AM

I bought a MuscleChuck for mine, and that ended the nightmare of changing bits, but of somewhere around 40 routers it’s really the only one I am sorry I bought. I have several Colts, and even with the lousy locking mechanism, I still love them.

https://www.musclechuck.com

Also since buying the MC, I have run across another called an Eliminator. Don’t know how well they work, the MC’s are awesome chucks, everything they claim is true.

https://www.infinitytools.com/quick-change-chucks

Now my biggest issue with mine is having to actually tear it apart (take clamping device all the way off, instead of just loosening it) to change bases, or get the motor out of the base. Just inserting the pin, and turning like all my PC’s doesn’t remove the motor, it get’s stuck, until you disassemble it. JUNK.

Plus were the wrenches provided in your “retail” box the correct size for the nuts on the chuck? Mine were not. I used to have to find 2 wrenches the correct size.

They should rename them, the little box of router horrors.

-- Think safe, be safe

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#2 posted 01-28-2021 08:17 AM

Thanks therealSteveN for the reference to those 2 products. But man that’s expensive. Was looking at cheaper collet extenders on Amazon that seem to have decent reviews but maybe that’s dangerous?

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#3 posted 01-28-2021 01:19 PM

I think Bosch’s guide ring system is great in that it’s quick change. If it were really proprietary, there wouldn’t be an adapter to use the screw in type PC adapters that have become generic today. Remember , porter cable’s rings were proprietary back in the day too; it’s just the marketplace has settled on that being the “standard” now.

Pretty sure a plastic sub base is also available that accepts the pc bushings.

I’ve not had much luck with the muscle chuck type adapters in a router table. Too much noise and vibration. I’ve done all the trouble shooting and used multiple routers of the same brand and different brands.

YMMV

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#4 posted 01-28-2021 01:24 PM

I just the offset wrenches. They work just fine.

-- Joe | Spartanburg, SC | "To give anything less than your best is to sacrafice the gift." - Steve Prefontaine

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#5 posted 01-28-2021 01:30 PM

I’m getting ready to dump the 1617 as main router in favor of something else. Just set it up as dedicated popular bit. Life’s too short get something else and be happy.

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#6 posted 01-28-2021 04:03 PM

I don’t use my 1617 in my router table so I don’t have the height issue. And all of my routers require two wrenches so I’m okay with that too. I do use it for inlays though and the template bushing thing really pissed me off when I figured it out. What aggravated me even more was that once I bought their adapter to use my bushings, the adapter had slop when installed. So I returned that and bought an aftermarket baseplate that accepts the bushing directly and I’ve been happy with it ever since.

I bought this extension to use with my slab-flattening sled and haven’t had any problems with it. I run a 2” bit in it so smaller bits should do just fine.

-- I collect hobbies. There is no sense in limiting yourself (Don W) - - - - - - - - Kenny in SW VA

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#7 posted 01-28-2021 04:17 PM

I have that router. But i don’t use a router all that often. If I used it often, i could see some of those things being annoying. For occasional use though its liveable.

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#8 posted 01-28-2021 05:01 PM

Never used in router table, but like it as a plunge router. Old PC fixed base for table. Mini-Makita gets the mot use. I like it but lock is hokey, not really a micro adjust

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#9 posted 01-28-2021 06:32 PM

Oooh what are you going to get?


I’m getting ready to dump the 1617 as main router in favor of something else. Just set it up as dedicated popular bit. Life’s too short get something else and be happy.

- CWWoodworking


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#10 posted 01-28-2021 06:35 PM

OKay so between collet extension vs offset wrench – which is the better solution. I think I see votes for both though on the collet extensions, can’t go on those expensive ones so wonder if a $20 extension works.

Currently sounds like collet extensions are less to solve the above table bit change but more for reach like flattening sleds and bowls. So it may be when I get there I’ll need that too. But for now on the bit change, sounds like offset wrench for the win (aside from different router).

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#11 posted 01-28-2021 06:48 PM

I’d go with offset wrenches personally. Which is what I had to do with my PC router that’s mounted in my table. I just took a torch, heated the wrench I already had and bent a dogleg in it. Offset wrenches were a little too spendy for my cheap butt.

-- I collect hobbies. There is no sense in limiting yourself (Don W) - - - - - - - - Kenny in SW VA

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#12 posted 01-28-2021 07:38 PM

My router has not seen the light of day from under the table in years. I use the offset wrenches. Never thought of it as an inconvenience.

-- Andy - Seattle USA

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#13 posted 01-28-2021 08:07 PM

The fixed base on my 1617 is bolted on to my router wing. I find it quite easy to snap the router out of the base to change bits or snap into my plunge base or spare fixed base. I find it pretty easy but only use it a few times a month. Been doing that for over 10 years and no reason to change yet. The adaptor for the PC templates works well although I have a few of the proprietary templates as well which are real quick to use. Maybe I just don’t know how much better it could be!

-- Darrel

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#14 posted 01-28-2021 09:19 PM


The fixed base on my 1617 is bolted on to my router wing. I find it quite easy to snap the router out of the base to change bits or snap into my plunge base or spare fixed base. I find it pretty easy but only use it a few times a month. Been doing that for over 10 years and no reason to change yet. The adaptor for the PC templates works well although I have a few of the proprietary templates as well which are real quick to use. Maybe I just don t know how much better it could be!

- Foghorn

Lol. You would have to use a hammer to “snap” my router out of fix base. For real. It’s got about 3/4” of movement before it locks up.

Kinda why it’s frustrating. Some people have decent luck. Then some get what I got.

Probably end up with a dewalt fixed and plunge set up. Also considering this cause Of the price-

https://www.lowes.com/pd/SKIL-14-Amp-Plunge-and-Fixed-Base-Router/1003092560

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#15 posted 01-28-2021 09:22 PM

The fixed base on my 1617 is bolted on to my router wing. I find it quite easy to snap the router out of the base to change bits or snap into my plunge base or spare fixed base. I find it pretty easy but only use it a few times a month. Been doing that for over 10 years and no reason to change yet. The adaptor for the PC templates works well although I have a few of the proprietary templates as well which are real quick to use. Maybe I just don t know how much better it could be!

- Foghorn

Lol. You would have to use a hammer to “snap” my router out of fix base. For real. It’s got about 3/4” of movement before it locks up.

Probably end up with a dewalt fixed and plunge set up. Also considering this cause Of the price-

https://www.lowes.com/pd/SKIL-14-Amp-Plunge-and-Fixed-Base-Router/1003092560

- CWWoodworking


I loosen the clamp, squeeze the release, twist it and it drops straight out. Not a snap per se. :)

-- Darrel

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