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Forum topic by Madmark2 posted 01-22-2021 01:27 AM 1050 views 1 time favorited 25 replies Add to Favorites Watch
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Madmark2

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01-22-2021 01:27 AM

Topic tags/keywords: jig box finger dovetail table router small mlcs question joining fast joint mini jig joinery

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Looking for a jig to cut dovetails on a router table. Looked at the Leigh LDJ400 and it looks great but is too big for the space I have.

Used to have (20+ yrs ago) a PC dovetail jig that took a lot of space and time to set up. I want something that I can easily set up and dial in WITHOUT a dedicated router.

I’m planning on doing smaller stuff down to 1/4×1/4 finger joints. No chests or big drawers needed.

I see the fancy systems from MLCS that do all sorts of shaped dovetails. Anyone use them? Do they work well? How much of an effort are they to dial (and redial) in?

Have seen inexpensive “comb” plates that you add your own woodblock and T-slots. Again anyone with hands on experience?

The HF one looked cheap and a nightmare to dial in on their “how to” vid.

I like the size and scale of mini (or st least smaller) patterns.

Realistically I expect to be working with 1×6 resawn to 1/4×5-1/2 max. So a 6” wide jig would do it.

Seen threads on “best” but this is a “best” of a specific subset.

Got my PC bushing insert plate and the bushings and bits are due tomorrow so my interest is more than passing.

Money, as always, is an object. I’m willing to pay good $$$ for a GOOD tool, but I’d like to keep it less than the mortgage.

Thanks any and all.

-- The hump with the stump and the pump!


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hairy

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#1 posted 01-22-2021 03:09 AM

Take a peek at this. I saw it at a show about 10 years ago. I used it once at a local store.

https://kellerdovetail.com/models.html

-- You can lead a horse to water, but you can't tie his shoes. Blaze Foley

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Lazyman

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#2 posted 01-22-2021 04:25 AM

Milescraft Dovetail Template Master is a jig to make dovetail jigs. One of the options is for making jigs to use on the router table. You can see an example as well as more information on how to make the jigs in this video. It is very inexpensive and works well. It even comes with the router bits used to make the jigs and cut the dovetails.

EDIT: I didn’t make the jig for the router table but I used it to make bunch of drawers.

-- Nathan, TX -- Hire the lazy man. He may not do as much work but that's because he will find a better way.

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therealSteveN

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#3 posted 01-22-2021 06:00 AM

The RTJ400 takes all the common issues you find with a router table jig, and fixes them for you. It allows you to make DT’s rather than fuss with test cuts. I use one of my friends once in a while, and I’ve never made more than 2 cuts before I was spot on. Another friend had a Keller, and you could test cut all day. Literally all day. He finally sold it, and bought the Leigh jig.

It’s only a few inches wider than a PC4212. A non router table jig needs space, this thing could store out of the way. Not like your going to leave it sitting on top of the router table when you are doing other work. Only up there when you are cutting DTs.

-- Think safe, be safe

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#4 posted 01-22-2021 12:56 PM

I’ve been doing some looking as I have a bunch of kitchen drawers to build.

@ $350 for that Leigh jig no wonder you’re borrowing it!! But, I see there is a $99 model looks like its plastic to me. The MLCS jig is just the old PC jig, and its not good at all.

I would get one that uses inserts not bearing on bit, so I can buy whatever DT bit I want.

EDIT, I think you could buy one of the plates designed to go in the jig like the WoodRiver and adapt it to use on a table.

-- Everything is a prototype thats why its one of a kind!!

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JackDuren

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#5 posted 01-22-2021 03:55 PM

Mark have you looked at the old Omnijigs. Not sure what there going for these days used…

Had the Leigh and Omnijig. Got rid of the Leigh

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WillliamMSP

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#6 posted 01-22-2021 04:40 PM


EDIT, I think you could buy one of the plates designed to go in the jig like the WoodRiver and adapt it to use on a table.

- Robert

There’s an old supplemental manual for PC jigs and they have instructions for doing this. I’m not fond of the PC jig as-is, and I just put together a nice table, so I’ll probably give it a try sometime in the coming months.

-- Practice makes less sucky. (Bill, Minneapolis, MN)

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Rick Dennington

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#7 posted 01-22-2021 05:15 PM

Take a look at “The Router Workshop” with Bob and Rick Rosendaul. You can find videos of the shows on YouTube. They use a jig they made to use on the router table to cut dovetails, box joints, etc. I made two of the jigs years ago. Made of plastic poly, they are easy to use…..!!

-- " There's a better way.....find it"...... Thomas Edison.

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Madmark2

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#8 posted 01-22-2021 05:33 PM

You mean Beanie & his son?

Gave up watching them when Beanie was demonstrating how a little ziz-zag doesn’t show (it does). When he finished the cut and tried to fit the two pieces together to show the “exact” fit & Beany put his fat thumb over the obvious gap.

-- The hump with the stump and the pump!

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Bstrom

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#9 posted 01-23-2021 02:39 AM

I’ve got the Sommerfeld jig, including the blind dovetail plate. Works well and you can get it with individual ‘fingers’ or the solid plate.

-- Bstrom

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therealSteveN

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#10 posted 01-23-2021 08:54 AM


@ $350 for that Leigh jig no wonder you re borrowing it!!

- Robert

Robert he’s getting off pretty easy, he lugs most all of his lumber over, and runs it through my jointer, planer, and while he’s getting it square is also using my TS. Plus lately he’s found out how the Domino works, not to mention routers aplenty.

But he has big toys, a couple of Bobcats, and a front end loader. Handy almost anytime you go to dig something up.. Couple of boats on trailers, stuff like that.

-- Think safe, be safe

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tvrgeek

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#11 posted 01-23-2021 10:35 AM

I have that funky Peachtree plastic jig with all kinds of patterns. Works fine, but being fixed templates, you have to design to them, not adjust to your design. I also have their “multi joint” box joint jig. Never used it actually. I may soon as I need to build a cabinet to hold 500 different colors of cross-stich thread. 40 drawers.
https://www.ptreeusa.com/rtr_jigs_fast_joint.html

If I had a lot to do, I might give the Woodstock jig a try. Cuts both pieces in one pass. But again, fixed so you design to the jig. My last project was just one small drawer, so I did them by Dozuki and chisel.

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Madmark2

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#12 posted 01-23-2021 06:59 PM

Just pulled the trigger on the fast joint mini. Bushings are in. Stay tuned for further developments.

Thanks to all who replied.

-- The hump with the stump and the pump!

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cracknpop

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#13 posted 01-24-2021 12:06 AM


Just pulled the trigger on the fast joint mini.

Be sure to let us know how it works out for you.
I have used Peachtree’s Dovetail Wiz on several projects and find it pretty straight forward to use and I am pleased with the results. I have used it on the router table and with hand held router.

-- Rick - I know I am not perfect, but I will keep pressing on toward the goal of becoming all I am called to be.

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Madmark2

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#14 posted 01-24-2021 12:22 AM

It seemed to hit all the marks, router table only, size, completeness. Ornateness is good, no variable spacing or associated issues.

Must have watched half a dozen “Using …” vids, most were nightmares or freestanding. There voids looked reasonable.

Expect a review in a while, delivery being what it is. LOL

-- The hump with the stump and the pump!

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#15 posted 01-24-2021 04:55 AM

Search YouTube for “Fast Jointâ„¢ Mini “

-- Alaskan's for Global warming!

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