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watchesandputters

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01-21-2021 03:04 PM

Topic tags/keywords: question tablesaw

Hey I recently picked up an old cabinet saw that was private labeled under the Convoer brand (no longer in business). I reached out to a related business entity who told me it was a variation of Delta saw from the 70s or 80s, however in looking I’m only coming up with a Jet CTAS-10 saw that looks nearly identical (mostly due to the horizontal opening dust door) so if anyone has any insight as to what model Delta this would be that’d be fantastic.


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#1 posted 01-21-2021 03:34 PM

Welcome to LumberJocks!

Never heard of tool brand Convoer?
Do you mean Conover?

Show a pic of name and/or serial plate on saw and motor please?

Delta cabinet saws changed very little from 40’s till ~1990. So might not be clone of Delta tool?

The 70’s and early 80’s were the time period where US OEM started mfg tools in Taiwan. It was also a time where many private labels appeared with similar clone machines (like Grizzly and Jet).

Also curious if the trunions are bolted to cabinet or to table top. Hybrid cabinet saws started about same time. They have lighter weight trunion mounted to table top, just like a contractor saw, to reduce the price of ‘cabinet’ table saw. The more pictures posted of the machine, the easier it will be to help.

Best Luck!

-- If it wasn't for bad luck, I wouldn't have no luck at all, - Albert King - Born Under a Bad Sign released 1967

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#2 posted 01-21-2021 04:00 PM

Yeah sorry I didn’t check my spelling as I was typing. Here’s the label.

The trunions are mounted to the cabinet as I was able to remove the top and wings with just a few bolts.


Welcome to LumberJocks!

Never heard of tool brand Convoer?
Do you mean Conover?

Show a pic of name and/or serial plate on saw and motor please?

Delta cabinet saws changed very little from 40 s till ~1990. So might not be clone of Delta tool?

The 70 s and early 80 s were the time period where US OEM started mfg tools in Taiwan. It was also a time where many private labels appeared with similar clone machines (like Grizzly and Jet).

Also curious if the trunions are bolted to cabinet or to table top. Hybrid cabinet saws started about same time. They have lighter weight trunion mounted to table top, just like a contractor saw, to reduce the price of cabinet table saw. The more pictures posted of the machine, the easier it will be to help.

Best Luck!

- CaptainKlutz


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#3 posted 01-21-2021 04:12 PM

Made in Taiwain. That tells me it is almost certainly one of the many clones of the Delta Unisaw imported over the years.

-- Jeff Horton * Kudzu Craft skin boats* www.kudzucraft.com

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watchesandputters

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#4 posted 01-21-2021 04:14 PM

So they did make unisaws with the horizontally opening dust door? That’s what I’ve been having trouble finding any evidence of.

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#5 posted 01-21-2021 04:19 PM

Conover was owned by Ernie Conover and sold a lathe he had designed that used wooden ways you’d supply yourself. It was a heavy lathe though and pretty cool.

Conover is known for making windsor chairs and as a woodworking author and teacher.

I’ve seen that dust door on imported saws a few times but I’m not sure Delta had a version like that.

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#6 posted 01-21-2021 05:13 PM

Huh. Ernie is still kicking, and if he did own a tool company I had never heard of it. He would no doubt let you know for sure, and he could probably tell you what you needed to know if he was connected. Ernie does live in upstate Ohio (Middlefield), and I have never heard of Parkman, so it’s not in the southern, or western side of the state.

If Dick reads this he may know more about Parkman.

You can reach Ernie: He would be ok with a call, but an email wouldn’t pull him away from the lathe.

Ernie Conover (Woodworking/Woodturning) (440) 346-3347

Email
Email Fiber: [email protected]

Email Wood: [email protected]

Address
Conover Workshops
18115 Madison Road
Middlefield, OH 44062-9237

https://conoverworkshops.com/contactus.html

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#7 posted 01-21-2021 05:34 PM



Huh. Ernie is still kicking, and if he did own a tool company I had never heard of it. He would no doubt let you know for sure, and he could probably tell you what you needed to know if he was connected. Ernie does live in upstate Ohio (Middlefield), and I have never heard of Parkman, so it s not in the southern, or western side of the state.

If Dick reads this he may know more about Parkman.

You can reach Ernie: He would be ok with a call, but an email wouldn t pull him away from the lathe.

Ernie Conover (Woodworking/Woodturning) (440) 346-3347

Email
Email Fiber: [email protected]

Email Wood: [email protected]

Address
Conover Workshops
18115 Madison Road
Middlefield, OH 44062-9237

https://conoverworkshops.com/contactus.html

- therealSteveN

Parkman is about 30ish mins southeast of Cleveland, real small town kind of one stoplight type of town if you will. I actually reached out to them and they were the ones who simply gave me a range of 70-80s delta but nothing more to work off of other then that. I was just hoping someone had a similar model Delta and had a “Hey I have that same model” type of response or insight.

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CaptainKlutz

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#8 posted 01-21-2021 10:21 PM

+1 Taiwan made clone.

Does not match any Delta, as Delta never made a side opening door on table saw.

Focusing on side door is almost waste to time? Overseas mfg to hide the fact they copied Delta designs by using different cabinet designs. With change of color, only way to know the internal cast iron parts were cloned exactly was to buy one.

Machine reminds me of early Kuang Yung Machinery or Chung Kung Machinery Table saw. Two of the many tool mfg located in Taichung, City, Taiwan; the tool manufacturing mecca of the island.

If Ernie Conover is still kicking, he might or might not be able to tell you who made the machine? In the early days of Taiwan tool mfg, not many folks spoke English. There were many small logistics companies that worked with mfg to make various OEM machines, did all the export paperwork/coordination, and baby sat the English speakers trip to factory for tool validation. These exporters used be a secretive shell game. Today all of college educated staff in Taiwan speaks some English, and folks can interface directly. Only a few exporters like Fortune Woodworking (whose products might look familiar) have survived.

Many of the Taiwan tool mfg ownership are interrelated. Newer companies are owned by various relatives; brothers, cousins, uncles of the largest companies. Tool manufacturing is very small world in Taiwan. The skilled machining labor pool is small and employees change companies for 5¢/hr or free bus service to work. They all work together on jobs too large for a single company, which makes using the same castings from the same foundry even easier to hide. Used to visit Taiwan often. If you know where to look, can found the heads of the largest machinery companies blowing off steam together a couple nights a week, gambling heavily on Mahjong at local Karaoke pub. First time I was exposed to game night it was strange. Was with company president I visited that day, and then ‘officially’ met two other game players the next day at the next factories on my visit list.

PS – if you looking for manual, search for TAS-10. Found this on Amazon. Claims tool manual was published in 1964, which is right age for that fence design. Taiwan tool manuals were generic with no brand labels during last century, as printing costs for color manuals with technical drawings can be very expensive.

Also found some antique TS with similar side opening doors labeled LinMac which is another popular Taiwan mfg.

Cheers!

-- If it wasn't for bad luck, I wouldn't have no luck at all, - Albert King - Born Under a Bad Sign released 1967

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HumanFeatherboard

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#9 posted 02-01-2021 06:30 PM

It’s definitely a Kuang Yung 10” cabinet saw as I’ve owned the same model for many years. Haven’t figured out where to get any parts for it. Fortunately it’s been very reliable and hasn’t needed any except for a throat plate that I had to make.

-- HFB

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