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Ringwall

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01-14-2021 04:48 PM

Topic tags/keywords: thermofoil cnc yeti tool

I’m interested in starting a cabinet door business, and I’m researching CNC machines, software, and thermofoil. Wondering if anyone here has any experience with this kind of work and would be willing to share some advice.

I’m currently looking at the Yeti tool which is what brought me to this forum, as some members were discussing it.

Also, just wondering if anyone has had any experience with imported thermofoil machines – the local ones seem crazy expensive, considering what they do?

Thanks in advance!


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Madmark2

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#1 posted 01-14-2021 05:02 PM

Really?

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JackDuren

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#2 posted 01-14-2021 05:26 PM

You need to go to Woodweb for this kind of information.

We have had major door manufacturing companies here in the Midwest shut down. It’s a difficult business..

You can make a few select doors one piece without a CNC.. but the thermofoIL is a total different animal

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paulLumberJock

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#3 posted 01-14-2021 09:01 PM

Yea, google how cheap ready made doors are on the web are.
I doubt a one man business can compete, especially if you are doing MDF doors that are CNC routered.

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Ringwall

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#4 posted 01-14-2021 09:19 PM



You need to go to Woodweb for this kind of information.

We have had major door manufacturing companies here in the Midwest shut down. It s a difficult business..

You can make a few select doors one piece without a CNC.. but the thermofoIL is a total different animal

- JackDuren


You need to go to Woodweb for this kind of information.

We have had major door manufacturing companies here in the Midwest shut down. It s a difficult business..

You can make a few select doors one piece without a CNC.. but the thermofoIL is a total different animal

- JackDuren


You need to go to Woodweb for this kind of information.

We have had major door manufacturing companies here in the Midwest shut down. It s a difficult business..

You can make a few select doors one piece without a CNC.. but the thermofoIL is a total different animal

- JackDuren

Lol, okay. A different animal in what respect. Complicated? Expensive? Finicky?

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JAAune

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#5 posted 01-14-2021 09:25 PM

The Yeti Tool CNC is not a production router. It looks like it has potential for a portable jobsite system but that’s not what you’d need in a manufacturing line. The spindle is too weak to run deep passes with large diameter cutters at high ipm.

If you’re going into cabinet doors, you’ll need a niche (SemiHandMade.com did this) to set yourself apart from the established companies. My recommendation is to use whatever tools you have now to create your products and see if you can get a client base. Outsource if necessary. If the clients don’t come, you won’t be out much money and you can move onto other products.

It would be easy to drop $250,000 into a cabinet door production line and still be under-equipped compared to the existing door companies. It would be bad to invest all that money only to find that you’re unable to produce enough doors at market pricing to break even.

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Ringwall

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#6 posted 01-14-2021 09:26 PM



Yea, google how cheap ready made doors are on the web are.
I doubt a one man business can compete, especially if you are doing MDF doors that are CNC routered.

- paulLumberJock

So, I’m not exactly a one man business. I was the head manager of a furniture and blinds manufacturing plant. I’m currently enrolled in an MBA program and am looking to develop a business. I recently did my own kitchen Reno during covid and ended up ordering doors from renuit (the refacing business out of home Depot Canada). They botched the job so badly, but I was impressed with the door quality. They made the same noob errors the company I managed was making in their warehouse before I was hired. . I am confident that with my knowledge of manufacturing and delivery I can copy the marketing system we used for the blinds. I just want to be able to CNC some doors from MDF and then give them a factory finish without paint. I’ve ran the numbers and with the cost of the thermofoil material, I’m pretty sure I can do quite well. I’ve already built my own CNC and laser cutter in the past and have a strong background in 3d modelling. I’m certain the CNC part will not be a problem. I have access to a small warehouse and have a few young gentlemen to employ should we start making sales. Just don’t want to invest a hundred grand in a machine that gets warm and presses down. Seems like an aweful lot for such a thing. Though admittedly I don’t really know anything about the science of those machines.

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JackDuren

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#7 posted 01-14-2021 11:16 PM


You need to go to Woodweb for this kind of information.

We have had major door manufacturing companies here in the Midwest shut down. It s a difficult business..

You can make a few select doors one piece without a CNC.. but the thermofoIL is a total different animal

- JackDuren

You need to go to Woodweb for this kind of information.

We have had major door manufacturing companies here in the Midwest shut down. It s a difficult business..

You can make a few select doors one piece without a CNC.. but the thermofoIL is a total different animal

- JackDuren

You need to go to Woodweb for this kind of information.

We have had major door manufacturing companies here in the Midwest shut down. It s a difficult business..

You can make a few select doors one piece without a CNC.. but the thermofoIL is a total different animal

- JackDuren

Lol, okay. A different animal in what respect. Complicated? Expensive? Finicky?

- Ringwall

This I can’t tell you. Reason I suggest WoodWeb. I spent 30 years making or running shops doing residential or Commercial and the last 7 years ax a high end furniture maker. This I can help you with, but Thermofoil no….

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Madmark2

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#8 posted 01-14-2021 11:25 PM

As a production manager WTF are you doing HERE for advice? Hire a consultant. Attend a trade show.

I’ve been a production manager. You don’t get to be one by having to ask for help in a forum such as this. You’re supposed to already know answers to questions like this (or be smart enough to figure it out on your own.)

You make a point of telling us your education (implying we’re not) yet you admit to knowing nothing. Which is it?!

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Rich

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#9 posted 01-14-2021 11:37 PM


You make a point of telling us your education (implying we re not) yet you admit to knowing nothing. Which is it?!

- Madmark2

I don’t know, but I bet he knows the difference between a square and a rule.

-- Half of what we read or hear about finishing is right. We just don’t know which half! — Bob Flexner

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JackDuren

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#10 posted 01-15-2021 12:40 AM



As a production manager WTF are you doing HERE for advice? Hire a consultant. Attend a trade show.

I ve been a production manager. You don t get to be one by having to ask for help in a forum such as this. You re supposed to already know answers to questions like this (or be smart enough to figure it out on your own.)

You make a point of telling us your education (implying we re not) yet you admit to knowing nothing. Which is it?!

- Madmark2

He’s here to gather information like the rest.

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JackDuren

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#11 posted 01-15-2021 12:47 AM


You make a point of telling us your education (implying we re not) yet you admit to knowing nothing. Which is it?!

- Madmark2

I don t know, but I bet he knows the difference between a square and a rule.

- Rich

Being from Alabama I might have a tough time with that one

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LeeRoyMan

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#12 posted 01-15-2021 12:48 AM



As a production manager WTF are you doing HERE for advice? Hire a consultant. Attend a trade show.

I ve been a production manager. You don t get to be one by having to ask for help in a forum such as this. You re supposed to already know answers to questions like this (or be smart enough to figure it out on your own.)

You make a point of telling us your education (implying we re not) yet you admit to knowing nothing. Which is it?!

- Madmark2


Really Mark?
A little snarky don’t you think?
I understand, because you were a production manager that you know everything about everything, but that doesn’t mean everybody does.

He is simply trying to make something of his life and by coming here is part of his research to do so.

My input into making thermofoil doors is that it is going to take a lot of cash to get started even on a small scale.
I wouldn’t even try it without having a cnc machine, with a table big enough to match the size of you vacuum form machine. I don’t see how you can make any money without these machines. One of those occasions when you can’t afford not to have them.

Disclaimer: I have no experience with these machines, but have been in the cabinet business as long as Jack so I know at least as much as Jack…LOL

I’m sure you have looked at both, but here are some entry level (in my opinion) machines to get an idea of minimal investment of a vacuum machine.

https://www.bing.com/videos/search?q=thermofoil+vacuum+forming+machines+for+cabinet+doors&FORM=AWVR

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PurpLev

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#13 posted 01-15-2021 12:54 AM



As a production manager WTF are you doing HERE for advice? Hire a consultant. Attend a trade show.

I ve been a production manager. You don t get to be one by having to ask for help in a forum such as this. You re supposed to already know answers to questions like this (or be smart enough to figure it out on your own.)

You make a point of telling us your education (implying we re not) yet you admit to knowing nothing. Which is it?!

- Madmark2

why the attitude?

I didn’t feel the OP implied anything about my education, but helped clarify his point of reference which actually helped quite a bit. seems like a legit post opening up discussion around thermafoil (which I didn’t know about before, so thanks for making me look this up)

-- ㊍ When in doubt - There is no doubt - Go the safer route.

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JackDuren

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#14 posted 01-15-2021 01:31 AM

Ringwall…. looking for so thing to get involved in? Try poly stone planters

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Ringwall

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#15 posted 01-15-2021 01:35 PM



As a production manager WTF are you doing HERE for advice? Hire a consultant. Attend a trade show.

I ve been a production manager. You don t get to be one by having to ask for help in a forum such as this. You re supposed to already know answers to questions like this (or be smart enough to figure it out on your own.)

You make a point of telling us your education (implying we re not) yet you admit to knowing nothing. Which is it?!

- Madmark2

Sorry, as a production manager you’re supposed to know answers to questions like this? I came to a forum if professional woodworkers and asked if anyone had experience with a type of tech I am not fully familiar with, I don’t have the budget to hire consultants, so obviously the better choice is to ask questions for free, and in case you missed it trade shows… Not really an option right now, pal.

And I wasn’t mentioning my education to imply that you were not smart, I was simply attempting to quell the worry of some of the posters who thought I might be in over my head. I was explaining that I am experienced in manufacturing and am learning the business management end. I just wanted to know if anyone had any advice or technical experience. Anyways, no worries, I’ll go pay a consultant. Just know, next time when you are a noob at something, like perhaps, emotional intelligence or the art of conversation, recall how helpful you were when someone asked you a simple question, bro.

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