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01-05-2021 11:27 PM

Topic tags/keywords: saw stop sawstop saw shield sawshield tablesaw resource question

I am curious what everyone’s take is on this. A company called Saw Shield has come up with an invention that you install yourself on your table saw or band saw that uses skin sensing technology similar to Saw Stop. You do not have to touch the blade to set it off, it senses when your finger is near the blade, adjustable between one inch and a quarter inch. The blade does not drop down but a brake stops it instantly and they claim that the blade is not damaged in the process. You have to replace the brake cartridge after a discharge. The entire set up costs $350 and the replacement cartridges are $70. The catch is they are not shipping yet so you have to pre-order to get that price. What could go wrong with that?

-- “Each of us has to do his little bit toward transforming this spirit of the times.” Albert Einstein


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#1 posted 01-05-2021 11:43 PM

When is it supposed to ship? I find it hard to believe this gets past the SS patent.

As for as the function, seems it would be hard to regulate being that sensitive.

Just from a functional standpoint, I am in favor of putting this technology on ALL table saws. It doesn’t effect the performance of the saw and is effective. I have no opinion on the political side of it.

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#2 posted 01-06-2021 12:06 AM

The original SS patent should expire soon.

https://sawmillcreek.org/showthread.php?262452-Sawstop-s-Patenet-To-Expire-in-2021-Cheaper-Saws

-- I intended to be a woodworker, but turned into a tool and lumber collector.

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#3 posted 01-06-2021 12:13 AM

this is a different technology all together (not electrical current). It does not seem to break the SS patents as far as I can tell.

it’s great to see more companies coming up with their safety technologies. the more the better.

-- ㊍ When in doubt - There is no doubt - Go the safer route.

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#4 posted 01-06-2021 12:15 AM

We need to see some outside testing and exactly how it works.

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#5 posted 01-06-2021 12:17 AM

They claim it will ship in March. I love my Grizzly G0690 but I was going to sell it and buy a Saw Stop for the safety but now if this turns out to be legit I may have second thoughts.

-- “Each of us has to do his little bit toward transforming this spirit of the times.” Albert Einstein

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#6 posted 01-06-2021 12:25 AM

The website and video tell you exactly nothing. I don’t think anything actually exists. Might be interesting to see what actually come from this.

-- Bruce, Boise, ID

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#7 posted 01-06-2021 12:29 AM

I’d be tempted but I have a saw with a European arbor I’ll bet it doesn’t fit. They could bother being specific about how it fits.

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#8 posted 01-06-2021 01:02 AM

Buying a woodworking machine because it’s safe doesn’t make sense to me. I buy my machines based on how accurate and robust they will be. I’m in for the long haul.

-- Aj

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#9 posted 01-06-2021 01:08 AM

With Saw Stop you appear to get robust, accurate, and tremendous safety.

-- “Each of us has to do his little bit toward transforming this spirit of the times.” Albert Einstein

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#10 posted 01-06-2021 01:58 AM

If you don’t have your hands in between the miter slot and the blade they won’t get cut. If you don’t stand directly behind and in between the fence and the blade you won’t take the blunt of a kick back. If you wear safety glasses you will still have the same vision after being hit buy a small piece of wood. If you are sleepy or having trouble concentrating do not use power tools.

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#11 posted 01-06-2021 03:32 AM

There’s some speculation that is like unicorn poo . Not real.

Even if it’s is , you can bet SawStop,will likely mount a challenge.

Bosch Reaxx was the only real competition to sawstop and they folded like a cheap suit. Which was quite surprising given that Bosch could have easily out spent Dr. Gass and Co. defending the claim whether it had merit or not.

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#12 posted 01-06-2021 03:35 AM



If you don t have your hands in between the miter slot and the blade they won t get cut. If you don t stand directly behind and in between the fence and the blade you won t take the blunt of a kick back. If you wear safety glasses you will still have the same vision after being hit buy a small piece of wood. If you are sleepy or having trouble concentrating do not use power tools.

- Jimarco

And yet, professionals who know better get hurt every day, in every industry.

There was a thread about this over at the woodwhisperer group. Seems like a lot of red flags here, given the lack of a demonstrated functional prototype, and much missing information about the company backing it. I would not support this kickstarter :).

Also, I think this will be much more limiting than the SS technology. There are a lot of cuts people do where their hands get within the exclusion zone. You’d have to build jigs or use more feather boards of hold downs in those cases. Also, not clear how this would work with something like a spline jig or even a tenon jig. More info would be great, if its real. An interesting question is who is liable if you install it wrong and it doesn’t work? At least with SS the electronics are all done at the factory and checked before shipment.

-Brian

-- Part of engineering is to know when to put your calculator down and pick up your tools.

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#13 posted 01-06-2021 03:37 AM



With Saw Stop you appear to get robust, accurate, and tremendous safety.

- MrBob54


You also get a saw that will eat a perfectly good saw blade for no reason. You also get a saw with too many electrical gizmos that will eventually go south.
I pass

-- Aj

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#14 posted 01-07-2021 03:04 AM


With Saw Stop you appear to get robust, accurate, and tremendous safety.

- MrBob54

You also get a saw that will eat a perfectly good saw blade for no reason. You also get a saw with too many electrical gizmos that will eventually go south.
I pass

- Aj2

I completely agree. I would much rather lose a finger, a thumb (I saw someone lose their thumb on a table saw, not pretty), etc. than lose a blade and cartridge. I mean the risk of loss is clearly much less than the potential cost of a couple of hundred dollars.

Also, for those interested, Felder has a completely different technology that doesn’t damage the blade or the saw and allows you to start using the saw again immediately. Of course, it is only available on their Format models and, IIRC, the base model on which it is available runs around 50-60 thousand.

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#15 posted 01-07-2021 07:03 AM

I completely agree. I would much rather lose a finger, a thumb (I saw someone lose their thumb on a table saw, not pretty), etc. than lose a blade and cartridge. I mean the risk of loss is clearly much less than the potential cost of a couple of hundred dollars.

if a person cant be focused enough and say,”duuuuhhhh geee- me should keep my thumb away from that spinning blade or me might end up with 1 thumb and a stub” then they should take up crochet

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