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TVC

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12-16-2020 01:46 PM

Topic tags/keywords: dust dust collection pvc pipe tapered pvc

I’m in the process of building my dust collection system. I’ve been reading a fair amount of Bill Pentz’s material. I’m going with 6” PVC pipe. Here’s my (potential) problem. I’m also using a Super Dust Deputy. It has a 5” inlet and 6” outlet. I need to hook up the 6” PVC to the 5” inlet. But, most couplings look like they’ll choke the airflow. I’m thinking a tapered piece of PVC would help, gradually moving the air from 6” diameter to 5” inlet. I’m thinking of cutting a long V on opposite sides of a piece of 6” pipe and pulling together (gluing of course) the piece creating a taper down to 5”. Thoughts? Will it preserve most, of not all, of the airflow that a 6” pipe gives?


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Madmark2

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#1 posted 12-16-2020 01:56 PM

No. 5” and 6” pipes have different flows. 5” will never have the same flow as 6” for a given static pressure. As a chain is only as strong as it’s weakest link, air flow is limited to the smallest diameter.

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#2 posted 12-16-2020 02:00 PM

Do you think the taper will help at all? I’m wondering if a long taper would ease the flow in transitioning to the 5”.

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#3 posted 12-16-2020 02:45 PM

The taper will smooth the flow, versus a step down adapter. But you will still be limited by the 5” inlet on the cyclone.

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#4 posted 12-16-2020 02:54 PM

DC is like sharpening on ww’ing forums – many approaches, all achieving the same result. That said, yeah there are some basics to DC, but overall, having done 3 iterations/remodels I’ll tell you I’ve had systems that in retrospect shouldn’t have worked very well but they worked.

To your question, that close to the cyclone, IMO it probably doesn’t matter that much, but it wouldn’t be that hard to fabricate a tapered cone out of sheet metal. Like a lot of guys, I used a 5×6 tapered HVAC adapter.

All I know is, it works fine.

I wouldn’t worry about it & focus on duct layout and fittings.

-- Everything is a prototype thats why its one of a kind!!

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Njner

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#5 posted 12-16-2020 02:58 PM

With fixed CFM, air velocity will be 44% slower on the 6” side vs the 5” side. For example, a DC that produces 1000 CFM will move the air at 5,092 ft/min through the 6” ducting but will travel at 7,333 ft/min through the 5” ducting. Both of those would be sufficient to move the dust through the ductwork at that CFM as you should target 3,500-4,000 ft/min. This is what is needed for vertical lift of the dust (air moving faster than the dust is falling). However, if you’re only getting 500 CFM, then the 5” would be sufficient, but the 6” would not. Keep in mind this is calculated off actual CFM not DC rated CFM and the drop in rates due to drag from the ductwork. Also, there’s a chance of plugging off going from a large diameter to a smaller one.

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#6 posted 12-16-2020 05:07 PM


Do you think the taper will help at all? I m wondering if a long taper would ease the flow in transitioning to the 5”.

- TVC

The long taper will reduce the excess pressure loss at the contraction. It’s not going to be enough to notice. Assuming you have a typical “2HP” DC with a 12” fan you’ll see less than a 1% increase in flow at 500CFM or so compared to an abrupt change in diameter .

-- Dave, Tippecanoe County, IN --- Is there a corollary to Beranek.s Law that applies to dust collection?

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#7 posted 12-16-2020 07:05 PM

I think you’re stuck (pactically speaking) with using 5” pipe.

That’s what your cyclone was designed and optimized for. It would have a 6” inlet if the engineers had deemed it appropriate.

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TVC

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#8 posted 12-16-2020 07:14 PM

Thanks folks for all the replies.

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#9 posted 12-16-2020 08:17 PM

I would use 5” steel snaplok duct, 26 guage or heavier. About the same price as pvc. A dust collection taper is longer than a heat duct taped. Oneida sells both. Call Oneida, ask them about your 5/6” conversion.

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#10 posted 12-16-2020 10:45 PM

I called Onieda when planning out my small system. They were very helpful. I would call them and explain what you are trying to do and the issues you have forseen.

-- A bad day woodworking is still better than a good day working.

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TVC

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#11 posted 12-17-2020 12:16 AM

You guys are great. Thanks for all your helpful comments.

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