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Keith70

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11-02-2020 10:52 PM

Topic tags/keywords: scroll saw

I am new to this site and it seems like a good place to learn and meet fellow woodworkers. I am currently looking to buy a new scrollsaw. I have an old delta that still works, but it is very aggravating. I have always wanted to get an Excalibur but have never pulled the trigger on it. I’ve read that they aren’t the same as they were a few years ago. Does anyone know about the new ones? Or just a recommendation on any other scrollsaw?

Keith


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#1 posted 11-02-2020 11:41 PM

Excelsior is the same as the old Excalibur. Same specs, same employees, same factory.
https://www.feldercanada.com/products/excelsior-xl-30-100

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#2 posted 11-03-2020 12:03 AM

I cant speak about the Excal. cause I dont own a gold mine but I do love my dewalt :<)))

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#3 posted 11-03-2020 12:20 AM

Very pleased with my Hegner. If a 14” saw will work for you, those come up quite often for less than $200, including the stand. The larger models don’t come up as often. I got the first 14” saw for $90. I found a second one for $100. I didn’t need two machines, but if needed, I couldn’t buy many parts for that price, so I grabbed it. And if the wife ever gets the bug, I won’t have to share.

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#4 posted 11-03-2020 03:15 PM

I have one of the older Excalibur EX-21 scroll saw and it is a very good saw. I have heard that the new ones are not nearly the quality as the older ones. If I were to buy a new scroll saw today I would look at the Seyco of the Pegus, both are the same design as the Excalibur. Go over to Scroll Saw Village for more info
http://www.scrollsawvillage.com/

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#5 posted 11-17-2020 03:19 AM

I own an RBI that I purchased over 25 years ago for $1100.00. It still does the bulk of my scroll sawing today and I have not had one problem with it. Look around for an older RBI. I think you can pick up a nice used one for 200 to 300 bucks. RBI is now Bushton Mfg and is still in business today. They make the Hawk scroll saw. Looks just like the old RBI. http://www.rbiwoodtools.com/

-- Ben

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#6 posted 11-17-2020 01:33 PM

I have an Excalibur from 2012. It was in insurance replacement for my 16” Delta. Truth be told, I think I liked my Delta better. The main reason I wanted this one was because it was supposed to be easier to put in the blades than my Delta. Basically I was told “just slide it up to the back, there’s stops there, tighten the screws, and you’re off!” Yeah, okay… not quite. Main problem is getting straight cuts. Adjustment? Fine Tuning? Who knows. I should have let the insurance company buy me the 20” Delta.

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#7 posted 12-13-2020 11:19 PM

I am thinking about the same thing; a new scroll saw. Money is really no object (not that I am rich, it is just that I am getting older and I don’t GAFRA anymore) so even an Excelsior does not faze me, IFF it is worth the arm and leg for it. Right now I am using a Seyco that I bought last year, and it is doing OK. I say “OK” because I have nothing to compare it to. Let’s rate the Seyco at 5 for reference. Where do other top-line (at least expensive) saws score? Is an Excelsior a 6? A 4? What about the Hegner? Pegus? King? Etc. BTW: King, Excelsior, and Pegus sure look alike; duplicates, repainted? Thanks for any info. j

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#8 posted 12-14-2020 02:41 AM

King, Pegas, Excalibur, Excelsior, Seyco are all the same design. It originated from King Industrial in Canada, I believe. All are good saws, I have a King and love it. The newer Excalibur 21” saws are made in China, and I have heard they have problems. I believe the others are manufactured in Taiwan, I’ve closed down the shop for the night…I’ll look at the box tomorrow and confirm, and the material/tolerances are very good.
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#9 posted 12-14-2020 07:01 AM

Just picked up the King 16” last week, $139.00 CAN. on sale at KMS tools.
Actually runs very smooth up to about 3/4 speed then starts to hop a bit, hold down will need some major mods to be effective. Did abuse it for a hour or so on some 1” walnut and never busted a blade?(olsen #7 blade) No regrets yet:)

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#10 posted 12-14-2020 02:47 PM

Keith70, I have an RBI Hawk with all the trimmings (magnifying light, foot switch and extra blade clamps) I am looking to sell. It is used but in very good condition and well maintained. I don’t know where you live. The saw is for pick up in South Carolina.

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#11 posted 12-14-2020 03:37 PM

I would guess right now, Pegas is the most popular…. and a great place to purchase one if you live in the U.S. : https://www.artcraftersonline.com. If you love to scroll as I do, Hegner is my go to… A real workhorse… and just keeps going… Hawk is another great workhorse saw…. However, I have not heard much good about the company that is now making/selling them. Still good quality saws, but their service is not that great. I agree with Davevand, if you want to scroll and learn with a great bunch of people,,,, check out Scrollsaw Village…

-- “We all die. The goal isn't to live forever; the goal is to create something that will.” - Chuck Palahniuk

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#12 posted 12-16-2020 10:23 PM

This is from http://scrollsawer.com/2018/03/07/product-review-its-good-to-be-king/ and may be useful to anyone looking for a saw. My question is “OK, they are made in the same factory. Same specs, same quality?” Probably not. For instance, my Seyco only tilts 30 degrees, though with a bit of filing I can get about 37 degrees.

1982: Somerville Design introduces the Excalibur scroll saws manufactured in Toronto, Ontario. It was originally black, and then purple in color.

2003: General International acquires the assets of Summerville Design including the Excalibur brand. General sends the 21″ scroll saw to Taiwan to be manufactured and adds the 30″ version.

Around 2008: General adds the 16″ version.

2010: EX-21 awarded “Editor’s Choice” by Scroll Saw Woodworking and Crafts magazine.

2012: the EX-21AE 30th anniversary edition is introduced. Only 1,000 units were available. Color changed from green to black and dust collection added to the table, stand and foot switch are included.

2012-2013: General changes all of the scroll saw colors to black and adds the dust collection, stand, and foot switch to all saws. No more General green saws.

Around 2014: General is sold to DMT holdings of Seattle, Wash. The sale included the Excalibur brand, but not the manufacturing rights for the scroll saw. Those manufacturing rights are held by the manufacturer in Taiwan.

2015-2016: JPW (Jet) designs their 22″ saw and has it manufactured by the same Taiwan maker as the original Excalibur saws.

Around 2016: The original Taiwanese manufacturer seeks new North American distribution for the original design of the scroll saws.

2016: King Canada is granted distribution rights to the original 16″, 21″, and 30″ saws for the Canadian market. They are branded Excelsior in Canada and King Industrial in the U.S.

2016: Due to design similarities of the Jet 22″, the manufacturer restricts King’s U.S. distribution to the 16″ and the 30″ versions.

2016: Woodcraft commits to national U.S. distribution of the King Industrial 16″ and 30″ scroll saws.

2017: Seyco introduces their version of the saw manufactured by the same maker as the Excalibur, Excelsior, King Industrial and the JPW saws.

2017: The European saws, such as Azxminster and Pegas, are all made by the same Taiwanese maker. These saws were previously supplied to them by General.

2018: General International (DMT Holdings) begins to market a Chinese-made version of the 21″ saw under the Excalibur name and model number.

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jklingel

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#13 posted 12-19-2020 01:57 AM



I would guess right now, Pegas is the most popular…. and a great place to purchase one if you live in the U.S. : https://www.artcraftersonline.com...

- PaulDoug


I went there and can not find how to order a saw. All I can find are blades. Did I fumble? Thanks. j

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#14 posted 01-14-2021 12:56 PM

I’m selling my Hegner Scroll Saw

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