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10-14-2020 05:06 PM

Does anyone own, or has anyone here used the Airvantage brand of DC corded Sanders? Do you like them? They are very similar (looking) to the Mirka ones.

What I’m looking for, as the title implies, is something better than the standard Dewalt / Makita , etc. Rattling cheap sander. I do a lot of sanding… this is for the fine finish step. I intend to continue using my other heavier porter Cable grinder-style and other Sanders for the first steps. my nerves and joints would like something better towards the end.

I’m not real enthusiastic about Festool, although if you can give me feedback that it actually is worth the astronomical price tag, sure I’ll consider it! What model though? there’s a lot!

I’ve also read some about Mirka, and am not real impressed with the reviews, and way less impressed with the >$600 price tag.

Are there some other high end Sanders out there I’m missing?

-- Pete


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#1 posted 10-14-2020 05:34 PM

I can say Festools Rotex, which I wouldn’t own on a bet, made my right arm go numb after using it for only about 1 minute. I have the older style Bosch 6” dual mode 1250DEVS, which I love, but they aren’t available anymore. Now they have…..

“Bosch GET75-6N Dual Speed Multi-Mode 6 Random Orbit Sander w/ Turbo Mode

potzz has one, and did a review on here. Found here

potzz is a lot like me, he’ll spend when he has to, but will also choose to save if he doesn’t have to. He just didn’t emphasize much if he liked the finish mode? On my older Bosch I really like the finish mode more than the turbo. I also have an even harder to find Metabo (from when they were still Metabo) that was branded as a Rigid. It’s a dual 6” and I feel is much better than the Rotex, in that my arm doesn’t go numb, but I like what the Bosch does a bit more for a fine finish.

That sander is somewhere around 25 years old, and still kicks butt, which is something as far as sanders go. I’m not sure if it will come to pass, but now Hitachi owns Metabo. I muse it could be possible they may revive that sander? But if like so many things it’s now junk, compared to the older models? Yet something to watch for.

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#2 posted 10-16-2020 03:29 AM

The metabo sander never went away – Home Depot just stopped buying them from Metabo, and had a pac rim sweatshop knock them off.

The new Bosch GETs are 90-99% of a Festool rotex but only cost 50% the money. Neither is particularly suited to finish sanding , though both will do that. If your nerves and joints bother you , a smoother sander is going to benefit you in these roughing stages too. Those dual mode sanders are two handed affairs all the time ,even in finish mode. Not my idea of good on the joints. YMMV.

Re: Festool sanders – the ETS125 is very nice finish sander for <$200 and is a good value proposition for final sanding or for between coats. It’s not powerful enough for heavy duty flattening or stripping. The 125EC sander is a good all rounder. Brushless , and can be swapped to a 6” pad for really large panels. Twice the price though. It can be used one handed also.

The airvantage sander and it’s cousin from surf prep are very smooth sanders, but aren’t super aggressive Not that much cheaper ( or at all) than the big boys Festool and Mirka and neither really has many dealers or support network. They are also disadvantaged in that hooking up a dust collector like a Festool, Fein, Bosch, Nilfisk , ect….. is going to present problems without buying additional and janky adapters. None of the big boy sanders have this issue – it’s plug and play.

Additionally, I’ve heard reports of these sanders not drawing enough current to activate the tool socket switch on the new Festool mini/midi vacs. May not be an issue for you , but maybe…..........

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#3 posted 10-16-2020 04:04 AM

Not sure if this will help or not, but at the cabinet shop I work at we have and Ekasand finish sander. It works well, is lightweight, and the power chord isn’t connected to the dust hose. I don’t think they are much cheaper than festool, but it works well. We use a larger 6” Bosch sander that has a ridiculous amount of power for the first sand, followed by the Ekasand second to give the final finish. Both have their place, but I certainly wouldn’t want the Bosch for finish sanding. Hope this is of help!
-Dale

https://shop.sandpaper.com/ekasand-e-series-electric-random-orbital-sanders/ekasand-e-series-6-inch-machine-central-vacuum-hook-face-low-profile-3-16-orbit-p-104997
ps. I question whether the weight listed for the sander on the website is correct, ours certainly doesn’t seem to weigh 3lbs.

-- Dale Miller Modesto, CA "I can do all things through Christ, which strengtheneth me." Philippians 4:13. "Woodworking minus patience equals firewood."

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#4 posted 10-16-2020 11:08 AM

I have a smaller Festool ETS and the rest of my orbitals are collecting dust. The game changers for me are less vibration, excellent dust collection, ergonomics and performance. It’s around $400 and with every cent IMO.

A Rotec is a more aggressive sander Imhave never seen the need for one.

-- Everything is a prototype thats why its one of a kind!!

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#5 posted 10-16-2020 12:04 PM

I have a 125 Rotex, 125 ETS EC and the ETS 124 REQ Plus. I only use the rotex for major stock removal, of the other two I prefer the ETS EC. It has similar ergonomics to the Mirka and the sander you asked about. The smoothness of the operation of it and the sanding pad break are excellent. You did not mention if you plan to use a dust extractor or not, that would be another factor to consider. I know the Mirka and Festool brands have dust extractors that work very efficiently, I only have experience with my Festool CT26 though.

If cost is a concern you can purchase air powered sanders much more cost effectively if you have enough air and don’t mind the noise. I prefer the Mirka over the Dynabrade and 3m models.

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#6 posted 10-16-2020 02:47 PM

Thanks for all the good replies. It appears there are a number of companies that re-brand the Airvantage looking sander, including Indasa, Ekasand, Sumake… all made in Taiwan/China.

So I think in going to pull the trigger on a Festool ETS 125 EC, the 5” model. It feels like an air sander, which I like for grip and balance. And it’s a Germam product for roughly the same price as the Chinese tools I mentioned above…

The quick brake is really a selling point for me. I hate the sander walking away on the bench when i set it down. (No, i can’t wait for it to spin down before setting it down)

I dont use dust collection currently, but am considering getting a Fein dust extractor, which I’ve used and like.

-- Pete

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#7 posted 10-16-2020 02:48 PM

Ekasand is just another label/color scheme from the Chiwanese manufacturer of these sanders. They’re the same thing whether clad in eksand, airvantage, or surf prep livery. They also came in a 3M flavor for awhile , but 3M marked them up so high, no one bought them and they were dropped.

All appear to be knockoffs of Mirka designs.

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#8 posted 10-16-2020 06:22 PM



I can say Festools Rotex, which I wouldn t own on a bet, made my right arm go numb after using it for only about 1 minute. I have the older style Bosch 6” dual mode 1250DEVS, which I love, but they aren t available anymore. Now they have…..

“Bosch GET75-6N Dual Speed Multi-Mode 6 Random Orbit Sander w/ Turbo Mode

potzz has one, and did a review on here. Found here

potzz is a lot like me, he ll spend when he has to, but will also choose to save if he doesn t have to. He just didn t emphasize much if he liked the finish mode? On my older Bosch I really like the finish mode more than the turbo. I also have an even harder to find Metabo (from when they were still Metabo) that was branded as a Rigid. It s a dual 6” and I feel is much better than the Rotex, in that my arm doesn t go numb, but I like what the Bosch does a bit more for a fine finish.

That sander is somewhere around 25 years old, and still kicks butt, which is something as far as sanders go. I m not sure if it will come to pass, but now Hitachi owns Metabo. I muse it could be possible they may revive that sander? But if like so many things it s now junk, compared to the older models? Yet something to watch for.

- therealSteveN


the bosch i bought mostly to do the major sanding in turbo mode then switch down for the medium sanding.for the final sanding i use the mirka which is a mercedes benz of sanders compared to your makita or dewalts.yes they are expensive but if you want a top of the line sander that is smooth,less vibration excellent dust control and stops on a dime then you cant beat the mirka.if you want what the mirka and festool can do you gotta pay for it.

-- working with my hands is a joy,it gives me a sense of fulfillment,somthing so many seek and so few find.-SAM MALOOF.

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