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Bluzman

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10-10-2020 07:45 PM

Topic tags/keywords: dust dust collection hose

The simple, semi rigid, light weight, no wire reinforcement, low restriction dust collection hose is getting very hard to find online or locally, I’m in the Nashville area.

I made a video showing what I am talking about and uploaded it to YouTube at this link: https://youtu.be/1xkSVfmdZEc

If anyone can point me in the right direction I would greatly appreciate it!

Thanks in advance for your help.

Paul

-- Paul Stewart • Goodlettsville, Tennessee


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#1 posted 10-10-2020 07:50 PM

this stuff maybe would be the sort of thing?

https://www.highlandwoodworking.com/dust-collection-hose-semi-rigid.aspx

I have a 10’ length that I bought as an anti-static hose, if that helps. I think I got it from Lee Valley or Highland Hardware, many years ago.

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#2 posted 10-10-2020 08:05 PM

Loren, thank you for the quick response, not sure if the hose at that link will work or not. It doesn’t look like the hose I’m talking about I will try sending them a message to see if I can get an answer as far as weight and whether or not it has wire reinforcement.

-- Paul Stewart • Goodlettsville, Tennessee

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#3 posted 10-10-2020 08:31 PM

Not sure whether it meets your needs, but search “flexible drain pipe” on the Home Depot site.

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#4 posted 10-10-2020 09:39 PM

https://www.ptreeusa.com/close_outs_list.htm Don’t know if that is what you are looking for but just in case it is.

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#5 posted 10-10-2020 11:28 PM

What JohnDon said. larry

https://duckduckgo.com/?q=home+depot+flexible+drain+pipe&atb=v168-1__&ia=web

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#6 posted 10-10-2020 11:35 PM

JohnDon, I have tried some of that stuff but it has as much friction loss as the wire reinforced hoses due to the ribs from the accordion style ribs I believe.

It’s what I’m using on my jointer now and it clogs up and spits out shavings from around the cutter head. Trying this with the filter on my dust collector cleaned out which I do regularly.

Thanks for the response.

-- Paul Stewart • Goodlettsville, Tennessee

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#7 posted 10-10-2020 11:39 PM

Jimarco I think this is the same type of material Loren mentioned, I’ve got an email into their customer service asking if this anti static hose has wire in it or not now.

If that turns out to wire-free I will probably give it a try unless someone can locate the stuff I am talking about. Either way I will post here what I found out.

Thanks for your response

-- Paul Stewart • Goodlettsville, Tennessee

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#8 posted 10-11-2020 12:05 AM

You might want to look at the hose that grizzly has.

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#9 posted 10-11-2020 10:14 AM

The material used for the spiral reinforcement has little effect on the loss. Most important are having the reinforcement on the outside and STIFFNESS. Pressure loss goes up when the hose is contracted and also when bent. A hose that resists both will have the lowest resistance. The Highland would be my choice because “It is more rigid and less flexible than our flexible hose. It always retains its full length”. Peachtree calls theirs “flexible”.

But, why are you using 4” hose? Your SDD has a 5” inlet. 5” hose has one third the resistance of 4”. You’re chasing a few percent difference when you could get a factor of three.

And speaking of 4” hose, contracting from the 6” SDD outlet to 4” and then expanding back to 6” at the fan is a huge loss. You would get a big improvement by getting rid of the adapters and just using a 6” hose there.

-- Dave, Tippecanoe County, IN --- Is there a corollary to Beranek.s Law that applies to dust collection?

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#10 posted 10-11-2020 09:24 PM

Dave,

I hear what you are saying and believe me I tried that route with longer runs/larger sizes. I did remove the 6 to two 4 inch adapter that came on my Jet DC-1100C dust collector and ran six inch wire reinforced flexible dust hose to the separator’s outlet – 6” to 6”, from there I connected 5 inch metal duct to the 5 inch separator outlet. This became a main 5” trunk between my three dust monsters table saw, jointer and planer with 5×5x4 wye drops. It was kind of a semi-permanent ducting system that reduced to 4 inch with a blast gate at all three tools just mentioned. I also added one more 4” accessory port with blast gate off another 5×5x4 metal wye fitting, this was for roll around tools.

All that work and cost and….it didn’t work good, wasn’t acceptable, dust was frequently clogging the jointer and it along with the table saw and planer would emit an unacceptable level of dust/chips as well.

When I hooked up my dust collector to each tool solo and direct as I had when I first purchased it long ago it always worked very good, the best at removing more dust, the goal.

So now, as posted, I am looking for something light weight, semi rigid, plastic, no wire 4 inch ducting hose for all my machines in the shop. The Jet collector came with casters, i purchased a 4-wheel drum dolly for my separator/drum and I am blessed with a large work space in my home so I can easily roll around the two components to where they are needed. It’s a hassle to move the two around some but as I said it works very good and with the hose I am looking for, it works best.

I don’t know anything about Beranek’s law. I know the law of this works very good and nothing else has.

Thanks for your response.

My sized dust collection system graveyard:

-- Paul Stewart • Goodlettsville, Tennessee

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#11 posted 10-12-2020 03:32 PM

Loren,

Heard back from Highland, they confirmed it does not have any wire reinforcement

I will probably go with this stuff.

Thanks again.


this stuff maybe would be the sort of thing?

https://www.highlandwoodworking.com/dust-collection-hose-semi-rigid.aspx

I have a 10 length that I bought as an anti-static hose, if that helps. I think I got it from Lee Valley or Highland Hardware, many years ago.

- Loren

-- Paul Stewart • Goodlettsville, Tennessee

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Bluzman

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#12 posted 10-26-2020 04:57 PM

Update to this question and many thanks to everyone for their responses.

I ended up with the 4” dust collection hose suggested by Loren above from Highland Woodworking after confirming it did not have any wire reinforcement via email to their customer service. Hose is at this link:
https://www.highlandwoodworking.com/dust-collection-hose-semi-rigid.aspx

Welcome surprises that I was not expecting are 1) the hose is a white plastic translucent pipe with black PLASTIC spiraled reinforcement. With a flashlight, perhaps without, you can easily see if the pipe is clear or clogged along it’s entire length due to the translucent white plastic.

2) It is very light weight, lighter than the black plastic pipe I was looking for and with better semi rigid performance due to the spiraled plastic reinforcement. With shorter pieces, which I have at each machine in my shop, it requires no support.

3) And if you want quick connects so you can reuse one connecting piece quickly at several different machines…I’d say save your money and just push it over the 4” port on the machine. For all the 4” connections I have on my shop machines it seals well enough to not worry about any lost suction without any clamps.

Bottom line; it is better than the old sold black plastic hose I was hoping to find. It’s made based on same idea but with significant improvements.

Thanks,

-- Paul Stewart • Goodlettsville, Tennessee

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#13 posted 10-27-2020 04:59 PM

I’m glad you found what you wanted, but I’m curious. What’s the problem with wire reinforcement?

-- Alan in Wisconsin

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Bluzman

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#14 posted 10-27-2020 06:34 PM


I m glad you found what you wanted, but I m curious. What s the problem with wire reinforcement?

- AlanWS

Would be the weight for any wire reinforced hoses first. I like to leave a hose connected to larger tools so I can quickly attach to my dust separator and collector that are both on wheels. I roll them up to the table saw, jointer, planer and other tools as well, IE bandsaw, belt sander, router table. Using a section of hose and a 4×5 duct connector that slides on and off of the dust separator inlet. Being light weight makes hanging them off the tool itself possible and much easier to move for any need. Also they don’t need any kind of support, less fuss.

Second would be I can’t imagine how the flat surface on the inner walls of the black plastic hose I was asking about and this new translucent white/bk stripe hose could possibly be more restrictive to flow than something with spirals of metal wire creating an uneven surface that changes when stretched or allowed to contract. So my belief that flat surface hose has less restriction.

Third, much (most?) of the wire reinforced hose acts like a spring more than a hose. They’re always wanting to coil back up and some with considerable force. It’s frustrating to deal with in my experience.

-- Paul Stewart • Goodlettsville, Tennessee

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