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rossn

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09-23-2020 09:13 PM

Anyone have any experience on a Performax 22-44 sander?

I am going to look at one that is around $800… is that a reasonable price?

Any particular issues to be aware of on this machine, or things I should be checking before buying? I don’t have experience using drum sanders previously.

Thanks!
Avery


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#1 posted 09-24-2020 12:35 AM

I paid about $850 for a supermax 19/39, that came with extension tables and 6 boxes of paper. From a friend of a friend. It was barely used. (For reference.)

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#2 posted 09-24-2020 12:47 AM

Depends on what’s included. They are said to be better built than something like the Delta 16” cantilever machine.

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#3 posted 09-24-2020 01:00 AM

I bought a used 16/32 with 6 rolls of paper for $600. It gets a lot of use.

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rossn

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#4 posted 09-24-2020 05:04 AM

Thanks for the input. Bought it for $740, as it was the only used one available and I have to sand about 2700 linear feet (3/4”x6”) of cedar siding this weekend, before install next week. Came with a small assortment of papers. Probably not a steal, but can probably re-sell for about the same.

Any idea how many sand paper changes I’d go through for a light sand of that much material (80-120 grit, one side of the board)? I have no idea how much mileage to expect from one wrap. Of course, I’ll be able to make passes in 3 separate areas, so that makes for about 900 linear feet. 2 changes, 20? Just need to make sure I have a practical amount of paper on-hand.

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#5 posted 09-24-2020 01:41 PM

I have the same sander, an older USA made Performax 22-44 with a 1.5 HP Leeson. The paper lasts pretty well if you don’t try to take a too big of a bite (1/4 turn?) and don’t feed too fast. If you do it right I’d guess 4-6 rolls for your project (one pass). The 80 is going to leave sanding grooves in your boards so you may have to do another pass with 120 depending on the finish look your looking for.

A good modification I made was to mount an ammeter to monitor motor amps, you can tell immediately if your asking too much out of the machine. With my motor that’s below 15 amps. Just adjust the feed speed/depth to get it right. I think the ammeter was about 15 bucks on amazon and another 15 for a junction box etc. If you’re just doing this one project and have access to a handheld ammeter that clamps around the power cable you can do the same thing.

Make sure you have the paper installation down or it can come loose and ruin itself. I find the tool for the right drum clip is needed. You can buy from Jet but I made mine by bending up a steel rod. Pay attention to how that right clamp locks the paper it is a little tricky.

Also strong dust collection is a must or I assume the paper will gum up.

The adhesive cleaning sticks are good for cleaning the paper and worth the cost.

Get it dialed in and you will burn though that project. Just take your time.

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#6 posted 09-24-2020 02:01 PM

Feed boards through from different spots. Don’t always feed in the center. Use the entire width of the machine.

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#7 posted 09-24-2020 02:10 PM

Thanks, all.

Yes, the owner had trouble getting the right clip secured, and the paper ripped at first run of a sample. Instead of throwing away the paper, I asked he do a wrap of tape, and that worked fine for a few passes, since it is not as if I need the edge of the sander. I guess I’ll have to make a tool for the paper install.

What brands/models of papers do you like to use for this type of a workhorse project (lots of volume, details aren’t so important)? Ideally I could order it online this morning for delivery tomorrow via Amazon, since I’m tight on time. There is a woodcraft and rockler local, but still 45 mins away, so mail would be better.

Maybe I’m best doing a first pass through the planer, then a light finishing sand. It would just be another process to manage for construction (not wood working).

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Russell Hayes

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#8 posted 09-24-2020 04:00 PM

Use the lightest grade of paper that will give you one pass results. 60 and 80 will for sure leave marks, 100 or 120 maybe not. But coarser should feed faster without bogging the motor down. You’re going to have to experiment.

Even with the tool you have to look closely on the right clip side to make sure the paper is in the right place. The paper will curl up and not be in the right position to lock.

I’ve only used the JET packaged paper, which is Klingspor.

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rossn

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#9 posted 09-24-2020 04:12 PM

Thanks, Russell. Have you previously seen any online documentation for this machine? I asked the seller yesterday if Performax was now Jet, and he said no; however that is what I gathered from an article I saw. Is Jet now the customer support on the machine?

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#10 posted 09-24-2020 04:36 PM

A quick search found this manual.

-- Nathan, TX -- Hire the lazy man. He may not do as much work but that's because he will find a better way.

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Russell Hayes

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#11 posted 09-24-2020 04:38 PM

Performax sold to JET about 15 years ago. There is very little that has changed on these machines except the stands, the way the motor mounts, and motor HP. JET should have most parts. Old manuals can be found free online. What model number do you have? It’s probably on the frame under the feed belt.

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#12 posted 09-24-2020 04:54 PM

The life of the belt really depends on how “sappy” your cedar is. The wood by itself is quite soft and you will et great mileage with a 120G belt (can’t say how much specifically). The cleaning stick is a great thing to have and if your belts get dust or sap packed, they can be easily cleaned by soaking the belts in ammonia or something like “Simple Green” for a few hours then hosing off.

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#13 posted 09-25-2020 03:56 AM

I buy my belts from Fintech. You will save a lot of money buying it by the large roll and cutting it to fit you sander by using the old belt as a template. I would also suggest buying a conveyor belt. If yours breaks you will be dead in the water.

https://www.fintechabrasives.com/sandpaper-rolls/shop-by-type/drum-sander-strip-rolls

https://www.fintechabrasives.com/sanding-belts/shop-by-type/conveyor-belts
. After you install a new belt run a shorter board through and then check the tension of the belt on the right side because they stretch from the heat created.

If you decide to buy from Woodcraft call first to make sure they have it in stock.

Let us know how the project turned out and what you learned.

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rossn

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#14 posted 09-25-2020 04:20 AM

Thanks for all the additional info and recommendations. This wood seems to be pretty low on the sap content. Good call on the conveyor belt, as well.

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#15 posted 09-25-2020 11:53 AM

You got a good deal.

Referencing your post re:dust collection, that is similar enough to a Supermax it will have excellent dust collection.

I recommend you get one of the big rubber sanding belt cleaners.

I have a central dc system, but I bought a 1HP Powertek wall mount to use as a dedicated collector for my miter saw and router. Exhausted outside. It’s advertised as 650 CFM. I am very confident it would collect my sander just fine, but you couldn’t use the bags.

Good luck with your venture. Be aware of cedar dust when cutting the dust can bother some people. I recommend do it outside and wear a respirator.

I buy all my sanding belts from Industrial Abrasives.

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