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09-19-2020 08:53 AM

Topic tags/keywords: cabinet slants not square joining drawers with slides

Made a cabinet using pocket screws and glued the sides also. I thoughts picket hoke jig would made the sides square so I did not check for square. After making the drawers and checking fm them for square I started to put the drawers in using full extension drawer slides. Of course there was a problem because the cabinet slants to the right going from the bottom to the top by about 3/8 to 1/2 inch over the 24 inch opening.
Not wanting to make the cabinet over again as it will be in my garage with my drum sander sitting on it I am trying to figure out how to accommodate this error and use the cabinet with the square drawers and full extension drawers slides I have.
I have been thinking of using sone plastic wedges and mounting them between the slide and the cabinet. Does this idea seem reasonable and if not what suggestions do you all have to solve the problem.
BTW I have made two more cabinets and checked them both for square and installed full extension drawers also square and they work perfectly., So lesson learned but now how to fix my problem with the first cabinet I built.
Suggestions please and thank you for your help . Midnightshadow

-- 12 Bar


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#1 posted 09-19-2020 09:05 AM

Unfortunately not wanting to make it over again doesn’t mean you don’t have to make it over again.
Do you really want to see this glaring mistake staring at you every time you go into your shop?
We all make mistakes. Suck it up and do the right thing.
.... sorry but …..

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#2 posted 09-19-2020 10:56 AM

I’ve shimmed drawer slides, but usually to the tune of 1/16” or less. Not trying to be harsh, but out of square that much should be visible to the eye during assembly. Anyway, if the cabinet doesn’t have a back on it yet, you might get some of the lack of squareness out by putting a correctly cut back on it. You would nee to pull the cabinet square with clamps, then fasten the back…..but it won’t get it all, and maybe you should consider sawing it apart and salvaging the materials.

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#3 posted 09-19-2020 12:00 PM

I think you need to double check your edges for 90. If the top and bottom edges are square the box should not be that far out. I don’t think it’s got to do with pocket screws.

If you don’t want to waste material and can stand to lose some dimension I would cut the box loose (don’t forget to remove screws).

Check all the parts for square & re-evaluate how you’re cutting the plywood. Don’t assume a factory edge is square.

I usually do not glue cab boxes, even with pocket screws, just for this reason. IMO glue doesn’t add much more strength than screws.

-- Everything is a prototype thats why its one of a kind!!

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#4 posted 09-19-2020 12:14 PM

Back the screws out. Flip the panels 180° and try again. Measure for square on the diagonals. Fix it right.

-- The hump with the stump and the pump!

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#5 posted 09-19-2020 02:47 PM

Back panel is on and again with pocket screws and glue. So I’m not sure I can take the screws out and cut it up to do over it all up to do oner. However I hadn’t thought of that and will check to see if I can get it all apart . I have also installed the cabinet wheels which are just bolted on so those can be unbolted off without a problem..
12 bar
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#6 posted 09-19-2020 02:55 PM

If I can cut it apart I will loose just the width of two kerfs in height which wouldn’t be a big deal as it sits by itself and doesn’t mate up to another panel. So I might loose about a 1/4” in height , and and depth it I think I would loose the 1 1/2,inch in width because the back is glued on also. Unless I could put it on my Sawstop and saw off the back and just add a new back.
As to I should have been able to see it out I’d square I can’t . It looks like a square box but definitely is not.

-- 12 Bar

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#7 posted 09-19-2020 03:59 PM

Your back should have squared it up, or at least made it closer than 3/8”
Measure corner to corner on your back and see how out of square it is.
If your back isn’t square than your cabinet won’t be either.
Until you get a square back, it won’t matter how many times you rebuild it.

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#8 posted 09-19-2020 04:15 PM


If I can cut it apart I will loose just the width of two kerfs in height which wouldn’t be a big deal as it sits by itself and doesn’t mate up to another panel. So I might loose about a 1/4” in height , and and depth it I think I would loose the 1 1/2,inch in width because the back is glued on also. Unless I could put it on my Sawstop and saw off the back and just add a new back.
As to I should have been able to see it out I’d square I can’t . It looks like a square box but definitely is not.

- 12bar

You don’t have to loose the 1/4”, you could edge the ply (assuming these are plywood sides) with some solid wood and get your dimensions back. You did say it was a shop cabinet, the appearance (at least to me) is a little less important.

-- Our village hasn't lost it's idiot, he was elected to congress.

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#9 posted 09-19-2020 04:38 PM

Think of all you’re learning about structure and strength.

-- The hump with the stump and the pump!

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#10 posted 09-19-2020 04:59 PM

If I can cut it apart I will loose just the width of two kerfs in height which wouldn’t be a big deal as it sits by itself and doesn’t mate up to another panel. So I might loose about a 1/4” in height , and and depth it I think I would loose the 1 1/2,inch in width because the back is glued on also. Unless I could put it on my Sawstop and saw off the back and just add a new back.
As to I should have been able to see it out I’d square I can’t . It looks like a square box but definitely is not.

- 12bar

You don t have to loose the 1/4”, you could edge the ply (assuming these are plywood sides) with some solid wood and get your dimensions back. You did say it was a shop cabinet, the appearance (at least to me) is a little less important.

- Fred Hargis

If I can cut it apart I will loose just the width of two kerfs in height which wouldn’t be a big deal as it sits by itself and doesn’t mate up to another panel. So I might loose about a 1/4” in height , and and depth it I think I would loose the 1 1/2,inch in width because the back is glued on also. Unless I could put it on my Sawstop and saw off the back and just add a new back.
As to I should have been able to see it out I’d square I can’t . It looks like a square box but definitely is not.

- 12bar

You don t have to loose the 1/4”, you could edge the ply (assuming these are plywood sides) with some solid wood and get your dimensions back. You did say it was a shop cabinet, the appearance (at least to me) is a little less important.

- Fred Hargis


Unfortunately not wanting to make it over again doesn’t mean you don’t have to make it over again.
Do you really want to see this glaring mistake staring at you every time you go into your shop?
We all make mistakes. Suck it up and do the right thing.
.... sorry but …..

- shipwright


I think you need to double check your edges for 90. If the top and bottom edges are square the box should not be that far out. I don’t think it’s got to do with pocket screws.

If you don’t want to waste material and can stand to lose some dimension I would cut the box loose (don’t forget to remove screws).

Check all the parts for square & re-evaluate how you’re cutting the plywood. Don’t assume a factory edge is square.

I usually do not glue cab boxes, even with pocket screws, just for this reason. IMO glue doesn’t add much more strength than screws.

- Robert


-- 12 Bar

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12bar

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#11 posted 09-19-2020 05:02 PM

Thanks Fred for the thought of shimming the drawer sides . That was what I was thinking of doing but on the inside of the cabinet. Then when the drawers were pulled out no one would see it because the drawer fronts would cover the edge as of the cabinet

-- 12 Bar

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#12 posted 09-19-2020 05:11 PM

Face frame or European cabinet? I can think of many solutions, but they all depend on the type of construction. Five piece of four piece drawers? Trust me you can do wonders with shims. I’ve cut on the drawers to create a fit. Trim an 1/8 here, shim a tad there, cuss in Shakespearean English. Drink a beer. Throw a hammer. Just passing on the tips of a pro. Fixing stupid screw ups, just part of being a craftsman.

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#13 posted 09-19-2020 06:34 PM

Whenever my boss sees a messed up cabinet that someone is trying to “Jerry rig” fix, he usually makes the decision for him by smashing it to bits on the ground then throwing it in the dumpster.

Problem solved, now start over and do it right.

Band-aid fixes makes for crappy work and he will not tolerate it. He will buy material three times over if it means a quality product gets to our clients.

Besides, it doesn’t take too many times of him smashing your work before you get the idea to not cut corners and to do it right the first time.

Working for millennials has its pros and cons I guess.

-- "Hard work is not defined by the difficulty of the task as much as a person's desire to perform it.", DS251

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#14 posted 09-19-2020 06:37 PM

The face of the drawers will cover the complete front including the cabinet frame.

-- 12 Bar

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#15 posted 09-19-2020 08:50 PM

Well, I wish you luck if you intend to try the shims, but be aware, when I’ve shimmed it was because my drawers were made slightly too narrow (or the ID of the cabinet too large). I’ve not tried it with one that far out of square. It also need to be square in the other plane….that is the back side to side dimension need to be the same as the front side to side.

-- Our village hasn't lost it's idiot, he was elected to congress.

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