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Forum topic by nickbatz posted 09-04-2020 10:59 PM 1754 views 0 times favorited 23 replies Add to Favorites Watch
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09-04-2020 10:59 PM

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F!!!!!!

Lots of people here recommended hide glue as the solution to all my glue mark problems.

Today I find out that a custom desk I shipped across the country had an edge joint that used it fail.

Just now I’m getting ready to glue the corners of a frame together, with panels that I’ve edge-joined using that ridiculous stuff that pretends to be glue, that I spent a lot of time jointing, flattening, and sanding… and F me, a Titebond hide glued edge joint failed before I’d even put the clamps on.

F)(#$)(*#$!!!! ME IN THE NECK!

That glue is CRAP. Maybe you can use it for small crafts projects, but it’s not for furniture.

Now I have to take apart all my panels and re-glue them. The desk I’m working on now is also going across the country, and I’m just not going to take a chance on a $700 return and back shipping charge.

Did I mention that I’m not very happy with Titebond hide glue right now?

As you can see, these are not garage work tables made out of 2×4s, they’re custom composer’s desks that take a lot of work, with a lot of moving parts (actually just one – the sliding desktop) – to say nothing of heart and soul.


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#1 posted 09-04-2020 11:02 PM

^ That’s the actual desk that arrived with a failed edge joint. It’s staged here in my living room for the photo.

I should add that Titebond’s regular wood glue is very good. It’s just the Glue That Must Not Be Named I’m ragging on.

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#2 posted 09-04-2020 11:09 PM

Sorry you had to learn that lesson the hard way. Titebond makes great pva glues but that titebond hide glue is weak.
Anyone that’s thinking of using it should do some simple over night glue ups on scraps. The glue will fail before the wood fibers.
Good Luck

-- Aj

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#3 posted 09-04-2020 11:15 PM

Hide glue isn’t all it’s cracked up to be in my limited experience with the hot stuff. I’m not saying with experience it can’t do amazing things, but learning to get it right can be a hassle.

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#4 posted 09-04-2020 11:51 PM

Hmm haven’t had any problems with it for various things. I’m guessing somewhere in shipping it was probably exposed to high heat and humidity, as its designed to release in those conditions.

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#5 posted 09-05-2020 12:15 AM

I’ve never recommended the Titebond liquid hide glue product. If you want off-the-shelf LHG, use Old Brown Glue. It’s the real thing. You can even make your own very easily for a fraction of the price.

However, suggesting that hide glue in general isn’t all it’s cracked up to be is a disservice to the community of woodworkers here. Hide glue is an excellent glue, if you know what you’re doing, and in fact, is the only glue that should be used in a variety of situations.

-- Half of what we read or hear about finishing is right. We just don’t know which half! — Bob Flexner

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#6 posted 09-05-2020 01:19 AM

Thanks Aj2.

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#7 posted 09-05-2020 01:23 AM

So Old Brown Glue won’t have the same problem, Rich?

For this project I’m not taking any chances, but I’ll experiment with it for the future if the consensus is that it’s good stuff.

And yeah, I’m not interested in making my own or having to use crock pots, etc. Nothing at all wrong with that, it’s just not my kind of activity.

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#8 posted 09-05-2020 01:27 AM

Why can’t you just use pva?

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#9 posted 09-05-2020 01:46 AM


So Old Brown Glue won t have the same problem, Rich?

- nickbatz

If the glue is fresh and properly applied, it will create a bond stronger than the wood. I’ve done tests with OBG and my homemade glue, as well as all of my other protein glues and they all perform well. I have had LHG go bad, so you have to pay attention to it.

A quick and easy test to see if the glue is still fresh is to put a smear on your finger and then tap it repeatedly against your thumb. If the glue is good, fine threads will begin to develop. The speed at which they develop depends on the glue (gram strength, liquid or hot, etc).

As has been mentioned, protein glues are reversible with heat and moisture, so keep that in mind as you consider what environment your pieces will exist in.

-- Half of what we read or hear about finishing is right. We just don’t know which half! — Bob Flexner

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#10 posted 09-05-2020 04:29 AM

+1 what Rich said.
I’m one of the hide glue guys here and I have never recommended Titebond LHG either. In my case I have no experience with it. I have experience with OBG, all good but when push comes to shove, I’ll go with hot hide glue. IMHO it is the real deal and LHG of whatever pedigree comes second.
For what it’s worth my next choice for quality work is urea formaldehyde, another hard setting glue. I’m not much of a fan of PVA for fine work.

-- Paul M ..............the early bird may get the worm but it’s the second mouse that gets the cheese! http://thecanadianschooloffrenchmarquetry.com/

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#11 posted 09-05-2020 05:24 AM

Frankly, when it comes to liquid protein glues for general woodworking, I’ll take fish glue any day¹. Like Paul said, hot hide glue reigns, but there are times when a glue that’s liquid at room temp is nice to have. And hey, like the OP said, some don’t want to futz with glue pots, etc.

Fish glue is almost magical. It offers an immediate tack, yet boasts a long open time—up to 30 minutes. At twenty-something dollars a gallon, it’s a good deal.

¹ No one glue suits all purposes.

-- Half of what we read or hear about finishing is right. We just don’t know which half! — Bob Flexner

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#12 posted 09-05-2020 08:11 PM


Why can’t you just use pva?

- CWWoodworking

If Titebond’s regular wood glue is PVA, the answer is that I can and am doing so.

The only issue I have with it is that I keep getting glue marks when finishing, and they were driving me bonkers. People have recommended mineral spirits to locate them first – but you can’t get mineral spirits in CA for environmental reasons, so I have to find a substitute. That’s probably what I’ll do for now.

Right now I’m making one of the desks shown above out of solid walnut, to be finished with OSMO Polyx oil, and I’m hoping that’s somewhat forgiving.

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#13 posted 09-05-2020 09:09 PM


Why can’t you just use pva?

- CWWoodworking

If Titebond s regular wood glue is PVA, the answer is that I can and am doing so.

The only issue I have with it is that I keep getting glue marks when finishing, and they were driving me bonkers. People have recommended mineral spirits to locate them first – but you can t get mineral spirits in CA for environmental reasons, so I have to find a substitute. That s probably what I ll do for now.

Right now I m making one of the desks shown above out of solid walnut, to be finished with OSMO Polyx oil, and I m hoping that s somewhat forgiving.

- nickbatz


Bobs yer uncle

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#14 posted 09-05-2020 09:25 PM


The only issue I have with it is that I keep getting glue marks when finishing, and they were driving me bonkers. People have recommended mineral spirits to locate them first – but you can t get mineral spirits in CA for environmental reasons, so I have to find a substitute. That s probably what I ll do for now.

- nickbatz

Check this out: https://www.lumberjocks.com/RichTaylor/blog/119665

-- Half of what we read or hear about finishing is right. We just don’t know which half! — Bob Flexner

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#15 posted 09-05-2020 09:58 PM


Why can’t you just use pva?

- CWWoodworking

If Titebond s regular wood glue is PVA, the answer is that I can and am doing so.

The only issue I have with it is that I keep getting glue marks when finishing, and they were driving me bonkers. People have recommended mineral spirits to locate them first – but you can t get mineral spirits in CA for environmental reasons, so I have to find a substitute. That s probably what I ll do for now.

Right now I m making one of the desks shown above out of solid walnut, to be finished with OSMO Polyx oil, and I m hoping that s somewhat forgiving.

- nickbatz

Drive over to Nevada or Arizona and smuggle in some mineral spirits.

-- Dave, Vancouver, WA

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