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Forum topic by sansoo22 posted 08-15-2020 01:41 PM 469 views 0 times favorited 24 replies Add to Favorites Watch
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sansoo22

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08-15-2020 01:41 PM

I’m looking to upgrade the tool rest on my 8” bench grinder. I have the Shop Fox W1840 variable speed grinder. The tool rest on it has detents/notches in the adjuster. And unfortunately for me 25 deg does not seem to be one of the settings. So I’m looking to upgrade. I’ve been restoring enough planes lately I want to take the guess work out of reshaping an iron.

I’ve looked at the Tay Tools rest and the Veritas rest.

The Veritas costs nearly twice as much and I can’t decide or am unsure if the quality is THAT much better to warrant the cost. Personally I like the way the Tay Tools rest mounts to the table better. The Veritas does come with an angle gauge but some scrap 1/4 ply and a miter saw can make one of those pretty quick.

Does anyone have experience with either of these models?


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HokieKen

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#1 posted 08-15-2020 03:51 PM

I have the Tay tools one. It’s sold under several names. You can find it for less than that. It’s pretty good as long as you don’t put too much pressure on it. The locking screws don’t hold it extrememly solid. I also added some teflon tape to the slot in the table to take up the slop with the sliding piece.

-- Kenny, SW VA, Go Hokies!!!

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#2 posted 08-15-2020 05:50 PM

I have the Veritas one. Solid and works great. No experience with the Tay

-- Darrel

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#3 posted 08-15-2020 06:33 PM

I have the wolverine one and it works great…just throwing in another option…

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#4 posted 08-15-2020 07:24 PM

I don’t have any experience with it but this one looks like of interesting. It would certainly make it easy to make repeatable setups anyway.

-- Nathan, TX -- Hire the lazy man. He may not do as much work but that's because he will find a better way.

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#5 posted 08-16-2020 02:09 AM



I don t have any experience with it but this one looks like of interesting. It would certainly make it easy to make repeatable setups anyway.

- Lazyman

That Kodiak system is crazy awesome. If I hadn’t just bought an AR this month I would be all about that complete system with the Rikon grinder, base, and both tool platforms. Looks like I might be going with the wolverine and the kodiak tool rest that will fit it.

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Lazyman

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#6 posted 08-16-2020 12:02 PM

Of course one other option is to make your own. I made this Sorby Proedge style tool rest for my DIY belt sander a few years ago and it is nice for repeatability as well. ( I much prefer sharpening on a belt. I get much nicer edges).

Instead of detentes, it uses threaded inserts for the preset angles.

I have since purchased the actual Sorby Proedge but frankly it doesn’t work much better than this DIY version. It would not be too hard to make this into a tool rest that sits below the wheel like the ones being considered above.

-- Nathan, TX -- Hire the lazy man. He may not do as much work but that's because he will find a better way.

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#7 posted 08-16-2020 02:25 PM

Another alternative, which I use, is the Tormek BG-100 tool rest. This allows you to use all the Tormek accessories, especially the sliding tool holder and the flat tool rest.

The other huge upgrade are CBN wheels. If you get one, get the 180 grit. I have this for general use, along with a 80 grit for major reshaping of bevels.

Regards from Perth

Derek

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HokieKen

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#8 posted 08-16-2020 02:29 PM



...

I have since purchased the actual Sorby Proedge but frankly it doesn t work much better than this DIY version. ...

- Lazyman

Ouch. That hurts at $500 :-/

-- Kenny, SW VA, Go Hokies!!!

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#9 posted 08-16-2020 02:43 PM

I have the Wolverine system on my bench grinder for turning tools. I like it a LOT for gouges and parting tools.

For most edges that I don’t want a hollow grind on, I use my WorkSharp. I have the table attachment and use it with different honing guides for plane blades and skew chisels. I use the built in port for bench chisels. I also have the tool bar attachment (basically a Tormek-type system) with various shop-made jigs for carving tools and gouges.

I also have a 2×72 belt grinder that I plan to make a Sorby-type rest for but haven’t gotten around to.

Personally, if buying a new system with no budgetary restrictions, I’d probably go with the Pro-Edge that Nathan has. A close second would be a Tormek system with CBN wheels like Derek advocates.

That Kodiak system looks handy and the price is fairly reasonable. I think it’s biggest advantage would be if you have CBN wheels that allow you to use the sides though. Or if you’re like me and use the sides of your wheels even though you aren’t supposed to ;-) (I know it’s not safe but as a machinist, I did it for a lot of years and have yet to see any bench grinder wheel explode on me or anyone else…)

-- Kenny, SW VA, Go Hokies!!!

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#10 posted 08-16-2020 03:44 PM

The Proedge is nice but in hindsight, I probably could have accomplished the same thing by just buying the fingernail jig and using it on my beltsander. Not sure if that is a comment about the proedge or my talented tool making. ;-)

-- Nathan, TX -- Hire the lazy man. He may not do as much work but that's because he will find a better way.

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#11 posted 08-17-2020 01:19 AM

The Kodiak kit does come with the 2 CBN wheels. I think for the time being I might get the Tay Tools style rest. I found it on amazon for $30 bucks. That will get me going at least. Then maybe once the PayPal balance fills up a little from selling some restored planes I can spring for the Kodiak kit.

I have a Shop Smith to get up and running with a new variable speed motor and then I want to get into turning some. I have a bunch of old Craftsman lathe tools. Not sure they are very good but they came free with the Shop Smith.

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#12 posted 08-20-2020 05:16 AM

I got the Tay Tools style rest from Peach Tree for 32.95 off amazon. It showed up today and I must say its been a pleasant surprise. Ken was right that it doesn’t hold super tight with the hardware it currently has on it. I may upgrade the lever style knobs with something else later on as they kind of get in the way with it setup on an 8” grinder.

I have it almost dialed in perfectly already. I’m about 1 deg off from the rest to the honing guide right now. I used my angle jig to set a 2” plane iron in tool holder that came with the rest. If i can get that last 1 deg tweaked I will have an extremely repeatable setup going. I could go from grinder right to the honing guide and skip my coarse plate all together. As it stand right now it cut a lengthy process down to about 10 min from wavy ugly iron bevel to hair shaving sharp.

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#13 posted 08-20-2020 12:04 PM

1 degree is pretty dang good Sansoo. Unless you have CBN wheels, the angle changes constantly as the wheels wear down.

-- Kenny, SW VA, Go Hokies!!!

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Don W

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#14 posted 08-20-2020 12:17 PM

That’s what is nice about free hand. When Going from the grinder to the stone, 1 degree doesn’t matter. Nor does 2 degrees.

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#15 posted 08-20-2020 12:34 PM

Not sure that I could even measure 1 or 2 degrees much less tell if it makes any difference.

-- Nathan, TX -- Hire the lazy man. He may not do as much work but that's because he will find a better way.

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