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08-11-2020 03:27 PM

I live in a 1200sq ft house with the standard MDF painted white crappy molding everywhere. I still have time to consider getting a used molding machine or find a cabinetry shop to do the molding. Took a gander at Craigslist. Almost snagged a Woodmaster 712 for $600, almost. There is a Belsaw 9123 locally for $299. Those are the only 2 molding machines I know to look for: woodmaster & belsaw. I know not the differences between the two, which one has more options, which one has more parts. I have no issues finding an older machine and tearing it down to replace parts as I did for my Jet 15” planer.
What are folks opinions of either the Woodmaster or Belsaw molding machines? I ‘assume’ any listing as a planer are planer/molders.

-- The Carpenter Bee is derived from the Ancient Greek word wood-cutter "xylokopos/ξυλοκὀπος"


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#1 posted 08-11-2020 03:35 PM

No, do not assume that “planer” implies “planer/moulder”. Most planers just flatten. If it doesn’t say “moulder”, it isn’t one.

Many shops will cut any profile you can trace or draw for a setup fee and a minimum run.

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#2 posted 08-11-2020 03:44 PM

So in regards to the Woodmaster & Belsaw, if the CL listing just says planer, it can not be a molder?
I’ll have to research this more. Most of the time, they list the model # or take pic of the badge and I can find out (such as this Belsaw 9123 is listed as a thickness planer, but after research it does molding as well).

-- The Carpenter Bee is derived from the Ancient Greek word wood-cutter "xylokopos/ξυλοκὀπος"

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#3 posted 08-11-2020 04:55 PM

You might look for an old William and Hussey type molders. They pop up often for fairly cheap. Or find a used jet jpm planer/molder…..i think grizzly makes a clone as well

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#4 posted 08-11-2020 05:27 PM

I’m pretty sure all the Belsaw models also accept moulding cutters.

I have a Powermatic badged Belsaw that came with a bunch of moulding cutters. The MDF auxiliary table for doing moulding was falling apart, though, so I haven’t tried using the moulders yet.

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#5 posted 08-11-2020 05:37 PM

Williams and Hussey machines can be cheap (I paid $400 each for mine) the shop fox clones seem to be less common used.

I will say that unless you plan on running a lot of moulding or want something more ornate using a built up profile the $100 to $200 per profile for the knives and 400 to 800 for the moulder will buy a lot of moulding (even custom) from a millwork shop

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#6 posted 08-11-2020 05:38 PM

I LOVE machinery, especially old stuff, but I have to say a molder is not on my wish list. I’ve got a good friend local to me (South GA) who is in the custom molding business. PM me if you’d like contact info- I handle shipping it wherever it needs to go so it’s no problem to get it to you.

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#7 posted 08-11-2020 06:23 PM

Look on e bay or Craig’s list for a Williams and Hussey molding machine. They vary in pricing, but cone up often till you want one, then they seem to be scarce. The good thing is they are an American company, and I believe still support all machines they have made. It uses two knives. I picked one up including the curve molding add on for less than $800. Maybe not the best price, but that varies by the day.

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#8 posted 08-11-2020 06:33 PM

If we were closer I’m sure we could make a deal on my Dad’s Belsaw. I’ll be inheriting it anytime I want to pick it up. I have absolutely no use for it.

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#9 posted 08-11-2020 06:52 PM

Are you having issues finding hardwood molding in Las Vegas? That place has more high end hardwood molding sources than anywhere I have been! The casino folks love fancy hardwood crown molding.

Had Peterman’s Phoenix quote some cherry custom molding for a house addition project. Found out it was normally produced and stocked in Las Vegas site. Peterman’s price for required lumber was nearly same as cost as finished molding.
Check out Heritage Distribution, Superior Molding, Las Vegas Crown Molding, and Petermans. Pretty sure I am missing one more big one too?

+1 Get some quotes, run the ROI math; before adding the machine to your shop.
1200 sq ft is not enough to break even .vs. buying from distributor. Now 4000 sq ft house remodel, it might make sense to buy equipment/dies; but ultimately would depend on how many profiles you want, and lumber costs.

Best Luck!

-- If it wasn't for bad luck, I wouldn't have no luck at all, - Albert King - Born Under a Bad Sign released 1967

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#10 posted 08-11-2020 07:11 PM


+1 Get some quotes, run the ROI math; before adding the machine to your shop.
1200 sq ft is not enough to break even .vs. buying from distributor. Now 4000 sq ft house remodel, it might make sense to buy equipment/dies; but ultimately would depend on how many profiles you want, and lumber costs.

Best Luck!

- CaptainKlutz

I’d venture to say even the 4000sqft house would need to be ornate to make $ sense. Replicating large multi layer historic mouldings on a 4000ft house is where is would make sense. Making moulding for simple “modern” trim packages doesn’t make much sense unless you have free wood and or free time.

Now if you just want a moulder because you don’t have one.. then I understand that as well. I’d like a 5 head Weinig myself.

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#11 posted 08-11-2020 08:21 PM

I purchased my W & H after pricing custom trim to match my 1915 home. Wood and machines and knives was about even with custom trim, even the small amount I needed. I am in the miidwest. So since I don’t value my time as money, being retired, I figured it that the machine is free. The same with a spot welder to fan my dust collection duct work. Paid for itself on the Y’s alone, and I still have the welder. Depends on the point of view.

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#12 posted 08-11-2020 11:46 PM



Are you having issues finding hardwood molding in Las Vegas? That place has more high end hardwood molding sources than anywhere I have been! The casino folks love fancy hardwood crown molding.

Had Peterman s Phoenix quote some cherry custom molding for a house addition project. Found out it was normally produced and stocked in Las Vegas site. Peterman s price for required lumber was nearly same as cost as finished molding.
Check out Heritage Distribution, Superior Molding, Las Vegas Crown Molding, and Petermans. Pretty sure I am missing one more big one too?

+1 Get some quotes, run the ROI math; before adding the machine to your shop.
1200 sq ft is not enough to break even .vs. buying from distributor. Now 4000 sq ft house remodel, it might make sense to buy equipment/dies; but ultimately would depend on how many profiles you want, and lumber costs.

Best Luck!

- CaptainKlutz


vegas is 8 hours south :) Reno is up near Lake Tahoe.
Was hoping to find a molding machine in the $200-$300 range and do my own molding for fun. But if takes to long to find a feasible molding machine, local milling shop is option #2

-- The Carpenter Bee is derived from the Ancient Greek word wood-cutter "xylokopos/ξυλοκὀπος"

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#13 posted 08-12-2020 12:52 AM

I’d look for a woodmaster. Since there still in business, might be easier to find parts. They also have great support and are pretty simple machines. I have one of there sanders. It’s great.

I also want one of their planer molder. I want it for the gang rip feature and to make custom picture frame moldings.

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Holbs

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#14 posted 08-12-2020 01:45 AM



I LOVE machinery, especially old stuff, but I have to say a molder is not on my wish list. I ve got a good friend local to me (South GA) who is in the custom molding business. PM me if you d like contact info- I handle shipping it wherever it needs to go so it s no problem to get it to you.

- GrantA


I assume shipping to NV would cost an arm & a leg for a whole 1200 sq ft house of moldings :)

-- The Carpenter Bee is derived from the Ancient Greek word wood-cutter "xylokopos/ξυλοκὀπος"

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#15 posted 08-12-2020 10:35 PM

waiting on some local millwork call backs about how/if they can help me with 1200 sq ft 2 story home molding & trim.
I took a gander at home depot. $400 for knotty alder craftsman style for a single room. 176 BF already milled for casings and base. Comes to $2.27 BF. I do not recall what my local wood distributor charged me for rough lumber knotty alder I used in my living room casings & plantation shutter project. Don’t think it came close to $2.27 though.

-- The Carpenter Bee is derived from the Ancient Greek word wood-cutter "xylokopos/ξυλοκὀπος"

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