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08-10-2020 02:50 PM

We are new to woodworking. We decided to build a custom kitchen Island. It has been a fun but hard project. We are at the stage where we are installing a large drawer. We opted for a big single one vs 2 little ones.

Box is within half a 16th of an inch on all sides square.

Drawer is similar, very square.

When we added the slide tracks it won’t shut properly. I made a video to show what we have. It might be a simple thing we just do not see. Again, we are new to this. We appreciate any advise.

https://youtu.be/BAHQ9uiG2Vk


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#1 posted 08-10-2020 03:02 PM

“Box is within half a 16th of an inch on all sides square.”

What are your diagonal measurements of the drawer and the diagonals of the side mounted guides?

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#2 posted 08-10-2020 03:17 PM

If you look at how the rails mount there are some tabs that allow a little flex in the distance from the drawer box to the side wall but not much. You must use only the tabs to attach the slide if you need this added tolerance. If you are too wide on the drawer box you can plane some thickness off and if too narrow add some washers or other shims to set the distance.

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cowsgonemadd3

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#3 posted 08-10-2020 03:20 PM

You mean the width of the drawer box from widest edge to edge and then the width of the outer edges of the drawer slides?

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#4 posted 08-10-2020 04:26 PM

Measure the diagonal distance from the top left to the bottom right corner of your drawer. Do the same thing from the top right to bottom left corner of your drawer. They should be the same dimension. Do the same thing for your cabinet. If the diagonal dimensions for the drawer aren’t the same, then your drawer is not square. Same thing for the cabinet.

I had the same problem with several closet cabinets I recently made. A couple of the drawers were slightly out of square and so were a couple of the cabinets. Since I didn’t notice the problem when I glued things up, I have to live with one end of the drawer sticking out a bit from the face frame. I’m not aware of a “fix” to square things up.

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#5 posted 08-10-2020 04:45 PM

Seems like the tolerances of square are working together against you.

I don’t believe moving the slides in or out are going to help.
You are going to have to shim your sides over, at the back.
Since you are going to change out the side rail that holds the slide anyway, I would change both sides and taper them, (or make them so you have room to adjust them, at the back, from side to side.
Either way, what you need to do is figure how to shift the back of the drawer over to the right.
(My guesstimate would be about 3/16 to a 1/4 of an inch.)

Another option would be to alter the drawer by cutting the front at an angle that would be the same as the cabinet face.

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#6 posted 08-10-2020 04:50 PM

You’re not square. If you were, the drawer would sit flush to the front. Either the drawer or the box (or both) are out of square. Follow the diagonal measurement test described above and make sure they are equal, or very close. A 1/16” difference on a piece that big is still OK.

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#7 posted 08-10-2020 04:51 PM

In your video, when you show the right side facing back, there is a gap between the 1x’s and side. That is where I would start.

Your drawers are made incorrectly with the pocket holes. Probably won’t matter, but if you redo the drawer, the pockets should be on the front/back pieces.

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#8 posted 08-10-2020 05:08 PM


Your drawers are made incorrectly with the pocket holes. Probably won’t matter, but if you redo the drawer, the pockets should be on the front/back pieces.

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I didn’t notice that at first, but it does matter a great deal. Once that drawer is loaded, those screws are going to pull loose. I’d never build a pocket screw drawer box, but CWW is right about placement. It also gives you the opportunity to drill the pocket holes in the back piece so they don’t show on the inside of the drawer. On the front they will be hidden by the false front. AND… the action of opening the drawer will place them in a shear stress which is far stronger.

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cowsgonemadd3

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#9 posted 08-10-2020 05:25 PM

Okay I will check some things in more detail when I get home from work tonight. Maybe I am not as square as I think.

We used pocket holes for the very first time. I was just excited it held the wood together. I did not know a specific direction had to be done as far as where to put them.

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#10 posted 08-10-2020 08:06 PM


We used pocket holes for the very first time. I was just excited it held the wood together. I did not know a specific direction had to be done as far as where to put them.

- cowsgonemadd3

I would just let it be for now. It may hold for a long time. Maybe not. But it wouldn’t Be too hard to redo it down the road.

I dealt with a company that built them like you did, never had any issues. But they were in low use areas. If you know it’s gonna get abused, take care of it now.

Check that back right corner. Even if that’s not it, if corrected it would give you some extra play.

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#11 posted 08-10-2020 08:23 PM


In your video, when you show the right side facing back, there is a gap between the 1x’s and side. That is where I would start.

- CWWoodworking


I saw that at about 1:03. Good idea to put a clamp on that and pull it tight, however, I don’t think it will be enough. It is a good place to start though. After clamping it you may be able to shim the left back enough. Just depends on how much the drawer moves after clamping it.

But to answer the question regarding what to do, you need to cock the drawer to even out the front, no matter how you do it. No rules, get creative if need be.

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#12 posted 08-10-2020 09:59 PM


In your video, when you show the right side facing back, there is a gap between the 1x’s and side. That is where I would start.

- CWWoodworking

I saw that at about 1:03. Good idea to put a clamp on that and pull it tight, however, I don t think it will be enough. It is a good place to start though. After clamping it you may be able to shim the left back enough. Just depends on how much the drawer moves after clamping it.

But to answer the question regarding what to do, you need to cock the drawer to even out the front, no matter how you do it. No rules, get creative if need be.

- LeeRoyMan

Did you just suggest hitting it with a hammer? LOL.

I was just pretending to have an attention to detail. I really don’t.

OP, next time don’t use those tack on’s to mount the slides. Use back brackets. They would give you a little wiggle.

Also, if you bought slides at HD, Lowe’s, or Menards- don’t. They are crappy and cost too much. Durislides from KV are a good economical slide.

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#13 posted 08-11-2020 12:37 AM

All suggestions are solid. Can’t add anything more.

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#14 posted 08-12-2020 12:19 AM

I did not have time to build a pinch rod but I am going to buy one online because it could be really handy for future projects.

I did however do some measuring.

These are outside to outside measurements.

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