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OhioMurb

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08-05-2020 12:27 PM

Topic tags/keywords: dust collection advice

On the fence about getting a wall mounted dust collector. Just don’t want to be dumb with my money if it’s not going to be a vast improvement.

Today, I use a shop vac with no cyclone in a 20’x25’ size basement. I regularly run a disc sander, band saw, miter saw, scroll saw, and router table. There is dust EVERYWHERE.

Will I set this thing up and instantly see a big difference? Is it worth it?


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MPython

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#1 posted 08-05-2020 12:40 PM

My basement shop is 17’ X 27’. I installed a ClearVue 1800 cyclone about ten years ago. It was a dramatic improvement. Before the installation, I would get severe sinus headaches from the fine dust generated by my machines. They would last for several days. Fine wood dust particles are a health risk, a known carcinogen. I did the research and learned that you need to move a lot of air to capture the fines along with the chips, so I opted for a serious cyclone. It was a great decision. Not only is my shop much cleaner, my headaches are gone.

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Fred Hargis

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#2 posted 08-05-2020 01:16 PM

The wall mounted unit (if it's like this one) just isn’t going to do anything to help your situation. To capture the finest particles and contain them require LOTS of air flow and good filtration (or vent outside). I realize spending money on something that doesn’t touch the work piece is a strain (as is the amount required) but if you need DC you’ll have to step up (way up) from the unit you’re considering. That said, all the tools you listed are not the easiest from which to capture the dust. I gave up on the miter saw years ago (don’t have one in the shop now) and while the scroll saw doesn’t generate a lot of dust, it is very fine. The disc sander, band saw, and router table will really benefit from an adequate DC and piping.

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Robert

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#3 posted 08-05-2020 01:25 PM

What Fred said.

I highly recommend an air filtration unit.

Fred, I redid my miter station with a dedicated 1HP wall mount type blower, cheap remote switch. The blower is on the other side of the wall exhausted outside.

The blast gate on the front is for my router table. It really works quite well.

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ibewjon

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#4 posted 08-05-2020 01:30 PM

Save your money for a 2 hp or larger with a pleated filter and a built in or add on cyclone. We all have heard many regrets about buying a small unit like that. And definitely add an air cleaner.

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OhioMurb

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#5 posted 08-05-2020 02:30 PM

Yeah, that’s what I was afraid of.

I don’t have the space for a real system with piping, etc so maybe I do it to get a step up over my dusty shop vac.

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#6 posted 08-05-2020 02:49 PM

A “real” system really doesn’t take up much more space. Mine is about 36” wide by 24 ” deep, plus the 5” space for the 5” duct behind the DC. I don’t have a cyclone, just an old DC refitted with jet pleated filter and vortex cone. The piping is run along the wall, not overhead. It only takes up 5”” of space along the wall. Some I have seen run the duct along the floor at the wall. I will be adding a cyclone in the future to a run from my shop th my garage where I keep my planer and drum sander, but the DC alone does a great job for the jointer, TS, lathe, handsaw, and shaper. You only have one set of lungs, protect them.

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Sark

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#7 posted 08-05-2020 02:55 PM

The answer to your question is that the amount of dust you see lying around your shop will decrease a lot if you religiously connect the wall mounted unit to each of the tools as you use them. But that’s a big IF. My experience of having a 1 HP dust collector on wheels, is that I simply didn’t take the time to hook up to each of the tools that I was going to use.

The second part of the IF, is (as mentioned by others) that the small dust collector unit does not have enough oomph to filter out the fine dust which is unhealthy. The improvement you see will be mostly cosmetic. IMO that’s a real benefit but don’t kid yourself that it’s a much healthier environment to work in. It just looks cleaner.

Finally, where does all the dust go after you’ve collected it? Into a tiny bag as shown in the link by Fred? That’s practically worthless. You need a much bigger trash can sized container, and that takes up floor space. Easily gotten and not too expensive. But a little bag?

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John Jardin

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#8 posted 08-05-2020 02:55 PM

+1 for Fred and ibewjon.
I’ve upgraded dust collection over the years and now I have a Grizzley 5hp 4 bag.
Like clamps, you never have enough, dust collector hp is never enough.
Get the biggest you can afford and then up grade.

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#9 posted 08-05-2020 06:06 PM


Yeah, that’s what I was afraid of.

I don’t have the space for a real system with piping, etc so maybe I do it to get a step up over my dusty shop vac.

- OhioMurb

Some designs with conventional dust collectors like the Harbor Freight 2 HP that you could set up to store against a wall, and take around tool to tool that would very effectively clear the dust from any single tool at a time. Of the dust generators I have my 19/38 wide belt sander is the biggest producer, and it is served just as I suggested you do. Plus it would greatly reduce the trip hazard you would have with all that blue tubing all over the ground with the Rockler, and you would still be going tool to tool. Not to mention possibly cheaper once you tallied all the real costs.

Victors plan is the one I modeled after, it’s space saving, and packs a lot of wallup. Looking at the number of times picked to favorite, evidently others like it too.

https://www.lumberjocks.com/projects/408781

And upgrade post.

https://www.lumberjocks.com/projects/409547

From the upgrade post, this is the link page for the Wynn Environmental page for the filter he ended up with.

https://wynnenv.com/?s=13R230NANO

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