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ohtimberwolf

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07-26-2020 01:52 PM

Topic tags/keywords: cabinet hinges soft close

Using a hinge of this type, can I build my kitchen cabinets with a 1 1/4” face
Frame? I do not want the face frame to show or if it shows I want it to show as little as possible. I do not want to build Euro style cabinets but I want to come as close as I can in appearance to that style. Any hints, links, photos or any other advice as to aid me in this project will be greatly appreciated. Doors will be simple Shaker style.

Also, are these the best brand to buy or are there others that cost less but do as good a job? If so, where is the best place to buy them ? I am re-doing our entire kitchen and the layout demands some very strange things that limit what I can do. Many parts of this project are dictated to me as to how they will be done due to existing non-changeable restrictions.

This 82 yr old guy needs all the advice you can give as I don’t know when my door will close. :) larry

https://www.ebay.com/itm/BLUM-OVERLAY-BLUMOTION-COMPACT-CABINET-HINGE-SOFT-COLSE-SOFT-CLOSEING-38N-39C-/261086328188

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Sark

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#1 posted 07-26-2020 03:25 PM

Hinges should work. The minimum reveal on Euro style cabinets is 1/8” . So that’s as little of the face frame visible as is possible. With 1/8” gap between the cabinet doors, your finish look will be exactly like commercial premium Euro-style cabinets. Except perhaps next to a wall. That should be verified to see if you need to have a bigger gap to allow the door to open next to the wall. I can’t remember, its been too long since I’ve done these type hinges.

Over the years, I’ve moved away from 1/8” reveals because it just harder to align all the doors so that the reveal (gap) is entirely even. I’ve spent many hours adjusting these doors and drawer fronts for customers, because a minor misalignment has ripple affects down the entire row of doors, both vertically and horizontally.

Instead, I’ve standardized on 1/4” reveals, and to my eye, they look every bit as good as a kitchen with 1/8” reveals, if not better. And it is a whole lot easier to install and adjust. Never had a customer complain, they just love their new cabinets.

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#2 posted 07-26-2020 04:14 PM

You need to be careful with the reveals on Blum Compact hinges. Unlike the Blum Clip hinges, they have a throw out of about 5/16”, meaning, you will have about 5/8” between adjacent hinged doors if you want to open both of them at the same time.

You can do 3/8” gaps as long as only 1 door at a time is open.

The only Blum hinge I know that will handle face frames and 1/8” gaps is the Blum zero-protrusion hinge
And it is expensive and big.

It is touted for wide angle applications, but it can also achieve up to 1 5/8” overlay with zero side clearance.

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#3 posted 07-26-2020 04:21 PM

Sark, not next to a wall but in-between two window trims on W & S walls of a corner. The doors will be 3/4 thick wood so guess by what you are sayin my 1 1/4 inch should work. Am I reading you correctly?
Thanks for the reply. larry

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#4 posted 07-26-2020 04:27 PM

Thanks DS, I am going to have to throw this around in my mind for a while, I’m not as quick to grab things as I used to be. larry
P.S. Growing old is sometime hard but I tried growing younger and it didn’t work. :)

I’m just not at all familiar with these hinges.

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#5 posted 07-26-2020 04:38 PM

If your cabinet is not next to anything the compact hinges would work. But the specific geometry of that hinge places the door past the outside edge of your cabinet by 5/16” when opened.

This will collide with whatever is there.

The true euro style Clip hinges will not extend the door past the edge of your cabinet when opened. So you can place them tight against other cabinets or walls if you desire.

Again, the only hinge I know of that can do this with a big overlay for your face frame is the zero protrusion hinge.
Zero protrusion hinge flyer here

I’ll see if I can’t find the spec sheet.

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#6 posted 07-26-2020 04:56 PM

41mm overlay is 1.61” just under 1 5/8” overlay maximum.

Most people won’t go this route. They will either have the gaps between the doors, or switch to frameless cabinets.

I did have an instance when one of our builders got cheap and used a “competitor’s” production face frame cabinet instead of our custom frameless cabinets in a really high-end remodel. The homeowner was livid.
Instead of replacing the cabinets, we replaced the doors and hinges with this zero protrusion hinge. She got the full overlay look she wanted, but on face frame boxes. She was ok with that.

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#7 posted 07-26-2020 05:15 PM

Stark mentioned a good point about adjustability.
The Compact hinges are more difficult to adjust than the Clip hinges.

Clip hinges use cams for easy fine adjustment in all directions.
The Compact hinges have only a single cam and the other axis’ are slot and screw adjustments which are much more clunky, for a lack of a better word.

As long as your doors are sized right and are built square, 1/8” gaps are a breeze.

-- "Hard work is not defined by the difficulty of the task as much as a person's desire to perform it.", DS251

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#8 posted 07-26-2020 06:38 PM

I really thank you guys for you time and effort to explain some of this. These posts help answer a lot of the questions that I had but didn’t know how to ask them. I am just not at all familiar with the terminology but it is starting to make sense to me.

I will sit and ponder on these posts in my easy chair tonight. larry

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#9 posted 07-26-2020 08:25 PM

Larry a little sketch of your layout would be helpful. I prefer the Blum clip hinges with face frame plates…and I try to work within their limitations. Protrusion refers to how much of the cabinet door blocks the cabinet opening when the door is fully open. Zero clearance hinges move the door completely out of the way, and this is a great advantage if you have rollout shelving or trays in the cabinet. Zero clearance hinges are big, heavy and expensive and harder to install, and I don’t think you need them.

DS is totally rights about side clearance with either the compact or the standard clip hinges. So side clearance won’t be a problem with those hinges.

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#10 posted 07-27-2020 10:19 PM

I will try to sketch something and post it as I am sure that will help you understand what I am trying to do.
Thanks a bunch guys…larry

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#11 posted 07-27-2020 11:24 PM

There is a window on the left and the right of each end. There will be nothing next to the cabinet fronts just window trim at the back that should be no problem.

The rest of the cabinets will be up against each other on one wall. Hope this helps. NOTE The depth of the cabinets has changed since this drawing to a total including the doors to12 3/8”

The center cabinet is the problem that the rest will face also. Cabinets extend down 31 3/4”
The top needs a crown mold or trim which leads to another thing for the space on the
cabinet *frame above to place it. I really would like to use that simple hinge that I posted the link for but…. larry

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Craftsman on the lake

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#12 posted 07-28-2020 01:07 AM

I’ve built a lot of cabinets. I love Blum hinges. But…. don’t use the ones with the black plastic inserts. They will break at some point. Or at least some of them will. The metal ones won’t. And It’s not just me either. This is talked about all in various places on the net.

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#13 posted 07-28-2020 09:44 AM

On the lake: can you send me a link to the type that you are recommending, I appreciate the info on the one I was planning on using. larry

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#14 posted 07-28-2020 12:48 PM



On the lake: can you send me a link to the type that you are recommending, I appreciate the info on the one I was planning on using. larry

- ohtimberwolf

Well, I spoke too soon. I have a bag of them in the shop and haven’t needed to use them in awhile. I’d buy them in bulk. Looking around, it seems that they only have the ones with the black plastic inserts. The ones I have the soft close plunger is plastic but the cover over the top of them is metal. For awhile they made them in both styles. The ones that I see now, the insert is all plastic. I do see some third party ones though, on Amazon that are made like the ones I have.
Sorry, I guess I should have looked before recommending. I’ll certainly use the ones I have left judiciously.

-- The smell of wood, coffee in the cup, the wife let's me do my thing, the lake is peaceful.

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#15 posted 07-28-2020 01:28 PM

Lake, thanks anyhow, I appreciate any one who tries to help a fellow LJer.

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