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07-22-2020 01:20 AM

Apologies if this is the wrong forum for the question. I’m new here!
I need a dust collector recommendation. Quick backstory: started with the HF unit and regretted it like many do. Picked up a Powermatic 1300 for $600 barely used and have worked with that and a SDD for a while. But something is wrong with the dust collector and my shop ends up really dusty after using it. Repeated tests have concluded the DC is the culprit, not the tools or the Dust Deputy. This is quite frustrating, but now I’m in a position to buy the machine I want (I think). Here’s my wishlist:

• I can spend around $1000-1800

• looking for a 2-stage cyclone collector so I can combine the cyclone into the DC and save floor space and hassle moving it around

• there’s a 220/240 line in the garage just for this

• planning to use it one tool at a time

That’s pretty much it. I’m drawn to the Laguna units because…well…they’re pretty. What can I say? But those and the Jets seem to get dinged for the short cyclones. What do you folks say?


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#1 posted 07-22-2020 05:07 AM

I have the Oneida Mini Gorilla dust collector, and am extremely happy with it.

I have no choice but to use a roll-around DC, since all of my machines are on mobile bases and are in different locations depending on what combination of machines I am using at the time. The OMG consumes very little floor space. I have a 10’ long, 5” diameter flex hose on it. It is available with either 110V or 220V power options. I bought the 110V version. It comes with a 20’ power cord, so rolling it to wherever I need it is not a problem. The filter is easy to clean, and is HEPA rated (the best filtration you can get).

Oneida uses efficient, long-tapered cyclones for their collectors. The are more efficient that shorter, stubbier cyclones at separating out finer dust from the air before it gets to the filter.

And it is manufactured in the USA.

-- Andy - Arlington TX

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#2 posted 07-22-2020 07:44 AM

I don’t have it, but the newer units that are providing a lifter, allowing for rolling out the trash can look to be well designed. I find half the PIA of dust collection to be getting *^&%@) bag off and not ripping it up, when you’re full up.

Laguna is the first one I saw, but other makers have something similar.

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#3 posted 07-22-2020 04:04 PM

Note the relatively short, stubby cyclone cones on the Jet and JDS units (and less so on the Laguna). These let far more dust through to the filter than longer, narrower cones. Thus the filter must be bigger, and needs cleaning more often. I don’t know what the filter efficiency specs are on the Jet or JDS.

Compared to the cyclone cone on the OMG:

Image credit: Oneida Air Systems

The Laguna has a larger bin, and may be slightly easier to dis/connect the bin, than the OMG, but the Laguna filter is not HEPA rated (but it is close).

The Laguna unit would be better suited to a fixed ducting system serving multiple tools, (including more than one at a time). Laguna makes a less expensive, similar collector with less CFM (and HP) that would serve one tool at a time, hooked up to the roll-around collector via flex hose.

The OMG handles even my 16” Hammer combo jointer/planer (by itself, one machine at a time).

-- Andy - Arlington TX

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#4 posted 07-22-2020 04:09 PM

assuming you don’t have height constraints, id buy whatever 3hp pops up used close to you – likely to be an older oneida

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#5 posted 07-22-2020 06:20 PM

I have a much lower-end unit but it still works pretty good. From my experience, (you’ve probably already considered this) I would be sure to allocate some funds toward hoses, blast gates, and mounts. I have hoses run along the top of my wall with Y’s to each tool, so I can just open the gate for what I’m using.

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#6 posted 07-23-2020 04:27 AM

Thanks for the feedback everyone!

I like the OMG but it just seems so expensive. Once you throw in the remote starter it’s around $1650 shipped. I get that the long funnel will help with the separation, but really going to have to think about that one.

As for a local used 3hp, I’ve never seen that while looking around, and I’m in a metro area. Certainly nothing in a 2 stage cyclone.

I don’t plan on piping and will only be doing one machine at a time.

I’m wondering if the new Laguna’s have a longer funnel that might be more effective. Even looking at the photos in the first response it looks like it has a longer one, but that could just be in relation to the extremely stumpy Jet.

What do folks think of Grizzly dust collectors?

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#7 posted 07-23-2020 02:32 PM

I’m confused as to why you think the blower is the problem. I would think most causes for dust escape would be related leaks (filters, bad seal on drum, etc) not the blower. Thinking about it, the only way a blower can spew dust would be on the exhaust side or leaking out the seal, right?

If you’re looking to replace a mobile collector & using one machine at a time, so long as it can generate 4-500CFM it will be adequate. A 1HP blower is capable of that, and certainly a 1 1/2 HP (1100CFM) would be more than adequate.

How about just replace the blower? For example, you could buy a Grizzly such as this on for a few hundred and just scavenge the blower. BTW there is nothing wrong with a SDD I’ve been using one for years.

Just keep in mind with a cyclone everything depends on the collector drum seal.

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#8 posted 07-23-2020 02:41 PM

No offense but I think you might have misread a couple things.

I didn’t blame the blower specifically. I blamed the entire dust collector. I assume it’s a leak somewhere but I’m not sure where.

And I’m pretty sure I specifically said that I LIKED the dust Deputy. It’s the best dust collection device I’ve used so far.

Thanks for the input. I’m definitely doing one tool at a time so I won’t worry too much about power. Would something like the OMG still be enough for a cabinet or hybrid table saw with a blade guard dust collector in addition to the bottom port?

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#9 posted 07-23-2020 02:59 PM

whats your location?

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#10 posted 07-23-2020 02:59 PM

I’m in the DC area

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#11 posted 07-23-2020 09:55 PM

Dignan, I’m confused. Even $1650 is well within your price range.

Also, look at the filtration efficiency rating. HEPA rating (99.97% at 0.3 micron efficiency) is about as good as it gets. The Jet JCDC-1.5 efficiency is only 86% at 1 micron. In other words, the Jet lets loose at least 467 times more 1 micron dust than the OMG does, into the air that you breath. The finest dust is the deadliest; it goes deep into your lungs.

The kicker to me seems to be the paddle-style filter cleaner on the Jet. Paddles aren’t for dislodging fine dust in a filter. They are for knocking off coarse dust. That’s the dust that better cyclones dump in the collection bin for you. The fine dust (what little that filter will stop) needs to be blown off (from outside in) with low pressure compressed air, at an angle. And with a better cyclone, you have to clean the filter much less often (assuming you DO NOT let the collection bin overfill!)

By way of comparison, the same HP, HEPA-rated Laguna P-flux collectors are more expensive than the OMG (even with remote).

If you want to save money, gadgets like remote start/stop are nice, but breathing cleaner air is nicer. In a small shop setup, where the DC will be pretty close to your machine anyway, how much convenience does remote start/stop buy you? Besides, you really do not want to start and stop them more than a few times per hour, since the start current is hard on the motor. And at only 1.5 HP (more than enough for single machine collection with short ducting), it’s not like it’s going to break the bank to keep it running.

-- Andy - Arlington TX

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Dignan

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#12 posted 07-23-2020 10:28 PM

Ok ok you’ve worn me down. It’s not that it was out of my price range, it was more that I felt like the value wasn’t there. Like if I’m going to spend that much I want more power, or if I’m going with that amount of power is want to spend less.

But you’re right about the filter paddle. I’ve understood all of what you were talking about, but I had never viewed those paddles in that framing before. They’re basically a white flag that says they know their machine can’t filter well.

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#13 posted 07-23-2020 11:36 PM

Does anyone know if Oneida ever has a sale?

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#14 posted 07-23-2020 11:46 PM

The mini gorilla is $1349. It looks like a good DC for one tool at a time.

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#15 posted 07-23-2020 11:49 PM

I agree. I think I’m sold on it. It’s also really nice and compact. That’ll be such an improvement.

Still going to look around for sales or coupons though :)

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