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06-09-2020 09:46 PM

I have a small “L” shaped workshop in my basement. I was looking for suggestions on layout and dust collection. All of my dust collection ports are 2”. Im currently using a shop vac an DIY cyclone and it works decently but with the furnace being so close it makes me nervous.

I’d like to see what others would do with the space. Thanks


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Kelly

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#1 posted 06-11-2020 09:10 PM

1) Lighting and then some more lighting.

2) Outlets at chest height.

3) If you think you only need a duplex outlet, go to a bigger box and add a second.

4) Break electrical up so tripping a breaker on one things does not take out the lights. For that matter, have a couple light circuits, if possible.

5) Make sure you can use every inch of wall space. If the walls are concrete, frame the out so you can add plywood to mount things on.

6) Make it comfortable to be there long hours. Put horse mats down on the floor (1”x4’x6’). This will also save a lot of dropped things from damage or ruination.

7) Convince your wife sanding is fun.

8) Think about building a nice sanding station to tie into your dust collection. You’ll wonder how you ever did without it (to crank up efficiency a 1000 percent, it MUST have sides, a back and top).

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#2 posted 06-12-2020 11:12 AM

Well here’s the thing about that.

1. I did do lighting and got it pretty well lit
2. I have been thinking about adding in some breakers. There plenty of empty spots in the box
5. I don’t own the home. I’m just renting So i don’t want to invest that much money.
6. I love the idea of flooring but the basement also leaks when it rains.
7. I’m single so unfortunately I will be doing the sanding myself. I am looking at building sanding station.

I think my main concern is dust collection because it is so small and the floors get wet. The size of the space I can work with, because well I don’t really have a choice.

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#3 posted 06-12-2020 02:17 PM

The table saw agianst the wallwill not work well, you need space all around it!

-- Heyoka

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#4 posted 06-12-2020 02:30 PM



The table saw agianst the wallwill not work well, you need space all around it!

- Heyoka


They all pull away from the wall. The table saw is just a ryobis mid level saw.

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#5 posted 06-12-2020 05:06 PM

I had to lose money to a rental or two also. It was worth it, since it allowed me to do more.

As to the mats, keep in mind they are 100% water proof and so tough they could be used for a garage floor.

As to dust collection, not surprisingly, my situation is different that yours, but some of my solutions may still be of use to you.

I have three dust collectors, two are the big four bag type and one is a HF I bought to double as a lawn vac system, using a Super Dust Deputy. When not doing law duty, it tends my miter box.

One of my big collectors tends the 8” jointer, one of three lathes, the cabinet saw, the planer, the router table, or the sanding station. Initially, I went with Y’s and gates, but noted, even though only one or two gates (table saw) was being used at a time, the Y’s created enough internal chaos it reflected on pick up.

I abandoned all gates on that one collector. Instead, I have short hose runs to each tool. The ends of the hoses, at the Super Dust Deputy [SDD], are all suspended from the ceiling via eye hooks. A piece of paracord through the eyehood and each end tied to a hose end keeps them all up at shoulder height, for quick access.

I walk over to the SDD, pull off the hose end I was using and push on the one for the next tool. I find swapping hose ends at the SDD intake takes the same time, or less, as going around to gates and closing one and opening the next one.

The L shape of the room may compromise this approach, but it may still have use for a couple of the machines.

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#6 posted 06-12-2020 05:22 PM



I had to lose money to a rental or two also. It was worth it, since it allowed me to do more.

As to the mats, keep in mind they are 100% water proof and so tough they could be used for a garage floor.

As to dust collection, not surprisingly, my situation is different that yours, but some of my solutions may still be of use to you.

I have three dust collectors, two are the big four bag type and one is a HF I bought to double as a lawn vac system, using a Super Dust Deputy. When not doing law duty, it tends my miter box.

One of my big collectors tends the 8” jointer, one of three lathes, the cabinet saw, the planer, the router table, or the sanding station. Initially, I went with Y s and gates, but noted, even though only one or two gates (table saw) was being used at a time, the Y s created enough internal chaos it reflected on pick up.

I abandoned all gates on that one collector. Instead, I have short hose runs to each tool. The ends of the hoses, at the Super Dust Deputy [SDD], are all suspended from the ceiling via eye hooks. A piece of paracord through the eyehood and each end tied to a hose end keeps them all up at shoulder height, for quick access.

I walk over to the SDD, pull off the hose end I was using and push on the one for the next tool. I find swapping hose ends at the SDD intake takes the same time, or less, as going around to gates and closing one and opening the next one.

The L shape of the room may compromise this approach, but it may still have use for a couple of the machines.

- Kelly


Yeah I don’t mind investing a little money into it especially if I can take it down and take it with me when I move.

Which HF DC do you have? The 1hp or 2hp? I’ve been looking at the 1hp because it looks a little more compact than the bigger one.

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#7 posted 06-12-2020 05:38 PM

Its the super fine particles in the air that will ignite. I wouldn’t worry about it too much but if it makes you nervous I might be inclined to invest in a ceiling mounted air cleaner first then upgrade the dust collector. I’ve heard good things about the WEN unit. If your drill press is a bench top model you could also build your own air cleaner cart using an old furnace blower motor and mount the DP on top of it.

If the walls are concrete consider a sheet of plywood with french cleats on it above the workbench and on the wall where the table saw is. You can build all sort of tool holders and more them around as needed on the french cleat system.

And of course in a small space everything needs wheels. Even the workbench should have wheels. The rockler pop down casters are a bit pricey but wonderful for heavy workbenches you want stationary most of the time.

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#8 posted 06-12-2020 06:07 PM

Mama made me get out of the basement with power equipment many moons ago. She green lighted me a barn, at a time a barn was an EXPENSE. Never again am I allowed to bring power equipment into the basement. Smart Woman. She knew the dust was a full time companion, if I was making it downstairs. Out in the shop, she never says a word about it. :-)

The drill press is the least of your worries, fines are going to come off saws, routers, and sanders the most. I know a few guys with the shop in the basement, but all the cutting, dressing, routing, and sanding are done in the garage, and they bring the ready to assemble wood downstairs to the climate control, for assembly.

-- Think safe, be safe

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#9 posted 06-12-2020 06:23 PM

thanks for the responses. Im going to look into some of this stuff

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#10 posted 06-12-2020 08:02 PM

I have the “two horse.” The Rikon impeller just showed up, so we’ll see what that does for yard clean up.

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#11 posted 06-12-2020 08:29 PM



I have the “two horse.” The Rikon impeller just showed up, so we ll see what that does for yard clean up.

- Kelly

How was it for dust collection. I’d love to have a system with blast gates rather than moving my shop vac from machine to machine

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#12 posted 06-12-2020 10:06 PM

It will trample any shop vac for saws and things.

It’s okay, for the money, it’s hard to beat. However, at the same time you buy it, you should buy a good canister filter or at least a finer micron bag.

As others point out, if you are going to beef it up with a canister and swamp the impeller, you might just as well buy good up front.

My Jet with a can and which Jet called a 1-1/2 horse was as powerful, and had better filtration, because it came with the canister.

The HF works good enough to collect the dust from my miter, with a hood around it. As such, IF you put it in a central position, to reduce the run in both directions, it would, probably, get you by okay with smooth runs and minimal hose.

Buy a roll of camper gasket because everybody’s bags, top and bottom, leak a little. The gasket around the upper and lower contact points for the bags will greatly reduce leakage.

I no longer use a shop vac for floor clean up. Instead, I used my collectors and they cut clean up time down greatly. Of course, EVERYTHING you pick up will go through impellers, so will be destroyed and will beat on them. That aside, I recommend you plan for that, because that port can also be used for other projects that require you reaching out.

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#13 posted 06-13-2020 12:20 AM

I would only be doing like a 6ft run. And I think that would probably be better than a shop vac.

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