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Forum topic by DoctorHandtool posted 06-08-2020 11:51 AM 1211 views 0 times favorited 34 replies Add to Favorites Watch
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06-08-2020 11:51 AM

Ok there will be some to correct some of this but I believe I’m pretty accurate I’m not stealing it from the net or copying it . Just what I’ve learned from buying selling patent info mwtca gristmill all the Walters Patrick leach etc. for those who do know exactly and can fill in the blanks especially from pictures any split frames or verticals post pictures battle axe Defiance. And dates please feel free because I get asked a lot why Bailey is a “Stanley Bailey “.

Now I can rant how Stanley created the Modern business model of greed capitalization by a monopoly etc they did they bought out companies hitting the bottom line selling their stock rebranding or destroying tooling and firing workers selling the properties but let’s hear the story of a man named Leonard Bailey.

Nope Leonard Bailey asked for a raise from Stanley as a patent engineer. He basically developed the modern bench plane . A billion dollar industry back in the early days. It’s like power tools are now . Westwern manifest destiny. Plus the booming fine market all up north Washington Jefferson . A slave that earned his independence and help build Monticello he was a master Cesar Chelor. Back in those days Huuuuuge Money. He started with rare failed attempts. First Split frame ugh worth a ton as a collectable but as far as best simple design nope. The rest also Vertical post . Then the real deal bench planes we know earliest called Stanley type1 goes up to type 20 in the 1980s 1867-1980s that’s how much he made them. Well he wanted more money they said no . So he started his own Company Defiance. Really good expensive collectable but good design. Stanley got scared bought him out for the name. He keeps tooling though starts another company Bailey Tool Co. same darn plane little improvements to his new patents what were they? His name all over the planes. Lol expensive. One he is so blatant to have Bailey Tool Co. All engraved on the bottom the Bailey tool Co. Lever caps Bailey tool co. Ha same plane Stanley paid undisclosed amounts and deals to shut him down so he keeps the tooling makes new castings calls it different and Sells it again to Stanley. So it’s later they’re coming down there at the patent office all sorts of new companies and designs. So he then starts the Victor tool line. Beautiful planes expensive but awesome machining functional all of them really good . Stanley’s hit hard by Bailey again by the victor tool co. After Bailey squeezes a nice profit Stanley buys him back out and then they hire him again they then put Bailey on every bench plane made . Made a bunch of cool good stuff . Used up until power tools. Man . What a freakin stick it to the man legally gracefully and boasting the whole way to the bank never too high key or in to politics. Smartest person I think of.

-- “Let the wood tell you”


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#1 posted 06-08-2020 06:01 PM

You seem to be new here.

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#2 posted 06-08-2020 06:13 PM

I have a Bailey bench plane with a chunk missing near the rear tote and H on the blade that’s a mystery.

-- Aj

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#3 posted 06-08-2020 07:09 PM

They h is for Horsecrap the tote was chipped so that the user could bend the lateral lever back improvement on benchplanes patent 156.6.555.67

-- “Let the wood tell you”

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#4 posted 06-08-2020 11:00 PM

I think you could be right the plane is probably 200 years old and they did have a lot of horses back then. It wouldn’t surprise me if they used horse manure fires to heat and temper blades.
The chip isn’t on the wood it’s on the casting.
It’s so thin I’m surprised it last this long. Old planes are just thrown around in drawers as the skill to use them fades away.
But the lust remains in the mind of the weekend warrior as he smokes his pipe and dreams in his head someday I’m going use that old plane. That’s when I’ll make my master piece.

Good Luck

-- Aj

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#5 posted 06-10-2020 05:27 AM



I think you could be right the plane is probably 200 years old and they did have a lot of horses back then. It wouldn’t surprise me if they used horse manure fires to heat and temper blades.
The chip isn’t on the wood it’s on the casting.
It’s so thin I’m surprised it last this long. Old planes are just thrown around in drawers as the skill to use them fades away.
But the lust remains in the mind of the weekend warrior as he smokes his pipe and dreams in his head someday I’m going use that old plane. That’s when I’ll make my master piece.

Good Luck

- Aj2

Lol. Thought of you and this post when I got this today and it is as found. I think it’s a union no.8H after I get the horsecrap off it . It may lose its value but the bent lateral chipped horn adds a few thousand.

-- “Let the wood tell you”

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#6 posted 06-10-2020 11:33 AM

To quote Rush Limbaugh:

“Brevity is the soul of wit”

JohnJ

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#7 posted 06-10-2020 12:41 PM

Try Shakespeare …..

-- Cheap is expensive! - my Dad

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#8 posted 06-10-2020 01:55 PM

1 point awarded to OnhillWW…

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#9 posted 06-10-2020 03:15 PM

A much ado about nothing….

-- A Planer? I'M the planer, this is what I use

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#10 posted 06-10-2020 03:59 PM


I think you could be right the plane is probably 200 years old and they did have a lot of horses back then. It wouldn’t surprise me if they used horse manure fires to heat and temper blades.
The chip isn’t on the wood it’s on the casting.
It’s so thin I’m surprised it last this long. Old planes are just thrown around in drawers as the skill to use them fades away.
But the lust remains in the mind of the weekend warrior as he smokes his pipe and dreams in his head someday I’m going use that old plane. That’s when I’ll make my master piece.

Good Luck

- Aj2

Lol. Thought of you and this post when I got this today and it is as found. I think it’s a union no.8H after I get the horsecrap off it . It may lose its value but the bent lateral chipped horn adds a few thousand.

- DoctorHandtool

I see your point on the lever very interesting.

I also saw the backsaws you posted earlier this week very nice looking saws. If I didn’t have two nice jointery saw I would have been tempted. :)
Good Luck

-- Aj

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#11 posted 06-10-2020 04:03 PM



A much ado about nothing….

- bandit571

Don’t dismiss the Doctors experience with vintage hand tools Bandit.
You got nothing on his experience he’s got most of us shaded including you.

Good Luck

-- Aj

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#12 posted 06-10-2020 04:36 PM

Doubtful…..been at this since the 1960s…...and even have my own old tool rehab shop.

Methinks you protest to much, sirah.

My No. 5 jack planes….

Including this Sargent VBM No. 414c, type 4…..

-- A Planer? I'M the planer, this is what I use

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#13 posted 06-10-2020 05:31 PM

Meow! Handplane resto slap-fight! Where’s the popcorn emoji?

-- Eric

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#14 posted 06-10-2020 05:41 PM


Meow! Handplane resto slap-fight! Where s the popcorn emoji?

- Eric

You dont eat popcorn at a hand plane resto slap-fight. Its butter covered plane shavings or you go without a tasty treat

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#15 posted 06-10-2020 05:46 PM

You can say what you will . I’m still learning it looks like some of you guys have stopped?

-- “Let the wood tell you”

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