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DoctorHandtool

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06-05-2020 01:07 AM

Topic tags/keywords: intro planes cars tools hand tools restoration plane history

Hi, just got back to the restoration and old tool game. In my past I would tune and resell 3-5 planes a day. I also like to collect buy sell and trade rare stuff I collect . When I say restore I don’t repaint sand down and half arse sharpen a tool that looks like crap. I just the best era and condition good jappaning good designs and I tastefully clean aind oil ever screw. I checksoles for flatness or warp If it needs lapped or is twisted I pass on it. I then clean and lube all moving metal parts . Lap frogs or beds if . I flatten the last 1inc to two or ruler trick regrind bevel with delta variable speed lathe microbevel freehand up to An 8000 Norton then strop on leather charged with 13000 micron paste. I make planes take full width shavings in exotics that Roy can see through . Also like to restore saws chisels,woodworking machines ,furniture,hit and miss engines antiques,miscellaneous cars, anyhthing mechanical or odd.

I make a living traveling buyin stuff and relisting on eBay. I also have 2 booths where I sell old gas signs advertising signs neat old stoplights. I buy from new electronics old toys instruments tools anthying to support my car and tool habit.

I recently started the restoration business again plus’s rare Stanley in the box.

Also I know the whole Stanley history and an encyclopedia of handplane knowledge and will a see any questions on I’d or value just ask .

I also have old gas signs coke stuff machines. 5 cars that are my toys some for resell some mine 68 Camaro SS, Teal steel body 32 ford coup complete show custom black on black chopped top suicide doors bored 327 air tilt elec everything 9 in rear men’s fuzzy dice. 260 miles since restoration.Two corvette white on white 1990 c4 conv 6 speed sport packagM2004 black c5 corvette zo6 black wheels pirelli p zero tires ls3, 1996 impala SS lt1z.Like to fish use hand tools work on old stuff collect cars and tools . I may fit in with you galoots.Any questions about planes ask me ive seen as many old Stanley’s as John Walter . I’ll be posting tools I restore seein if I’m up to par with this great group of galootsc.’m

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-- “Let the wood tell you”


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#1 posted 06-05-2020 03:57 AM

Welcome aboard!

I am the guy that will take on the challenge of some seriously ugly and neglected planes just for the fun of it. I usually draw the line at broken handles though. That’s more of a pita than I care to deal with. I have yet to re-japan a plane but I may try it out on a smaller one I can fit in a toaster oven. Not sure the boss would like me using her double oven in the kitchen for a big old No 8.

Sounds like we sharpen about the same exact way except I use an 8000 grit shapton and then a strop it. I haven’t been restoring planes long. Bought my first in October of 2018 and went full OCD into them from there.

I used to have a 1976 Chevy C10 I was fixing up. First year of the Silverado badge but had to let it go. Between remodeling a house and getting into wood working to learn how to build cabinets for said house the truck was getting neglected. Nice young kid working for the city bought it and has been sending me updates. He’s doing the old girl proud. Some day I will have another C10 when the house is finished up. Will be shooting for a 67 small window short bed.

Can’t wait to see some of the tools you restore.

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#2 posted 06-05-2020 04:20 AM

I have a question for the Doctor. Have you seen this H stamped on a Sweetheart plane blade before.
Here’s the H

Here’s the plane

-- Aj

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#3 posted 06-05-2020 04:32 AM

Welcome! Great collection of cars. If you were my neighbor i’d probaBly be at your house all the time.

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#4 posted 06-05-2020 04:37 AM



I have a question for the Doctor. Have you seen this H stamped on a Sweetheart plane blade before.

- Aj2

Good question AJ2. I have an iron with a Z stamped in the same place and haven’t a clue what it means.

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#5 posted 06-05-2020 04:41 AM

The one planing exotics is a craftsman I really liked by millers falls. It has rosewood handles I added a thick a2 blade new chipbreaker . It has circle machining on the sides of the body and it’s corrugated. Works as good as bedrocks I’ve had.

Those are two repaired handles one is glued twice once ne’er the horn. The other halfway down. The decal one was cracked in one spot almost all the way through it was hanging by a toothpick. I used printer paper to slide glue in the crack . Any squeezout is wiped and then the last bit is left ad I add rosewood dust to the last bit and clamp for a night. Then sand down any imperfections. If the handle has original finis I use lacquer thinner and flock the original finish to cover the handle even and rhen apply past wax and buff on a wheeel. After off the wheel I buff them out with soft cloth ( pagans flannels that tore so I cut them up for re use )

-- “Let the wood tell you”

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#6 posted 06-05-2020 04:15 PM


I have a question for the Doctor. Have you seen this H stamped on a Sweetheart plane blade before.

- Aj2

Good question AJ2. I have an iron with a Z stamped in the same place and haven t a clue what it means.

- sansoo22

Thanks for adding to the mystery. :)
I guess the Doctor is stumped too. Not much of a doctor in my opinion:(

-- Aj

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#7 posted 06-05-2020 04:37 PM

I gaurantee I have restored and handled more planes than you in the thousands.

That looks like a u to me and any stamp on a sweetheart would be a U or a 3 didgit code first didgit being quarters 1-4 last two the year. Other markings can be found on castings like u or b or s . That is for the foundry that cast the base or lever cap . U on later planes b and s on early types 5-8 . S is Sessions b I’d have to check my books .

And to AJ nice troll

And any time you want to try and stump me fella or think that you know more I will best your challenge.

I’m only here to help with experience and knowledge and learn from others not be trolled on a forum by someone who is rude and seems to know very little in manners much less tools

-- “Let the wood tell you”

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#8 posted 06-05-2020 05:38 PM

Your going to need a thicker skin. I wasn’t even close to being rude. You tin horn tool collector. :)
Just to be clear I am asking if you know what the H means stamped on the blade of a Sweetheart plane.
If you don’t that’s ok.
I have no interest in collecting vintage tools. I’ve been around long enough to know it’s a obsession with lots Woodworkers.

Good Luck

-- Aj

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#9 posted 06-05-2020 07:04 PM

Welcome to the forum Doc. I have a question about Stanley chisels that perhaps you can answer.

I have a few dozen 750 and 720 chisels. Mostly great users but a couple of sets and some NOS ones. With some of them and specifically 3/4” 750 ones, the sockets are not the same size so accept different size handles. They are both 3/4” and both marked the same with the 750 designation.

I do know that when there was a change in metallurgy that the 750 marking disappeared. These are marked identically however. The one with the larger socket is in NOS condition.

-- Darrel

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#10 posted 06-05-2020 09:32 PM

Daryl imo the only difference in the made in USA notched non 750 style is price on ebay and collector s. I once did an article on the wood river chisels when they came out and I got grief because they were made in China they just sent me a set to use and I told them to regrind the smaller sizes a 16 inch the bars were flat the handles nice wood felt good striking and paring and the steel I got on my set was above expected comparing price to two cherries. In my own shop right now I’m using the newer no.40 everlasting chisels with black composite Handel and theyre tuff.

Anyways yes i believe the finish maybe even steel changed that is around the time they started being cheaper they may have went with some cheaper option I’m not sure though. They’re both good chisels for handles I would make my own or if you don’t have time ir lathe got to eBay nos handles are a plenty for all sizes 3 I believe 750 3 720 or a few guys make nice exotics tell them what you need and they’ll list it or have it. Hope it helps.

-- “Let the wood tell you”

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#11 posted 06-05-2020 09:40 PM

I sell tools collect them use them restore them . I know of the history on iron bench planes. I can tell you as much fact as a book on it. I restore and engineer . You don’t even know me. I know people who having been doing this they’re whole life and they now come to me with questions about planes and history. I’ve personally had thousands of planes . When my mom got sick I sold a lot to take care of her and stay at home instead of a nursing home. 2 years Brest cancer actually 3 the firs lr year she went into remission and had a stroke was downhill from there. Mastectomy to the lungs bones braiN. We didn’t want a nursing home or at least I wouldn’t. I gave it all up and ran a business took care of my father who had been married to he since he was 23 she was 17 . I gave it all up I had the nicest stuff but it’s all just stuff man before you judge someone know who you’re talking to. Thin skin I’m happy as a lark loving Jesus working on my yard and corvettes talking to u fine folks.

-- “Let the wood tell you”

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#12 posted 06-05-2020 09:45 PM

Then I go inside to this . Lol
And walk out to this

Loving life plus it’s fishing season down here lol. Hope everyone is safe and I’m just giving you a hard time AJ u may know something I need to know man one head is better than mine mission accomplished. All lives matter

-- “Let the wood tell you”

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#13 posted 06-05-2020 09:50 PM


Tried to add this that’s the front of my car garage

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#14 posted 06-05-2020 10:27 PM


Daryl imo the only difference in the made in USA notched non 750 style is price on ebay and collector s. I once did an article on the wood river chisels when they came out and I got grief because they were made in China they just sent me a set to use and I told them to regrind the smaller sizes a 16 inch the bars were flat the handles nice wood felt good striking and paring and the steel I got on my set was above expected comparing price to two cherries. In my own shop right now I’m using the newer no.40 everlasting chisels with black composite Handel and theyre tuff.

Anyways yes i believe the finish maybe even steel changed that is around the time they started being cheaper they may have went with some cheaper option I’m not sure though. They’re both good chisels for handles I would make my own or if you don’t have time ir lathe got to eBay nos handles are a plenty for all sizes 3 I believe 750 3 720 or a few guys make nice exotics tell them what you need and they’ll list it or have it. Hope it helps.

- DoctorHandtool


Thanks, That doesn’t explain the difference in socket size between the 3/4” chisels but then, nobody has come up with an answer for that one. The change in metallurgy that resulted in the switch in the markings to just say “Made in USA” was due to a reduction in vanadium according to one Stanley forum. This resulted in a very slight difference but supposedly noticeable to pros that used them all the time. The next change was when the “Stanley” marking on the blade itself was added. These are the things that make the biggest difference in value to collectors between one with the 750 marking and subsequent ones. I started collecting them 25 years ago when they could be gotten cheaply and they are my most used chisels. Seems they are Chris Swartz’ favorites as well. The quest continues to find the reason for the difference in socket size between two otherwise identical, 3/4” Stanley 750 chisels. Nice cars by the way! Here’s a couple of pictures of the 3/4” chisels.

-- Darrel

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#15 posted 06-05-2020 10:58 PM

Nice looking Chisels Darrel. I have a set of the longer bladed sash chisels. I like them enough that they have a spot in my tool cabinet.
I would like to Know what the Doctors thoughts are on the saw nib. One of the unknown details on a vintage handsaw the saw nib .

I would also like to share my thoughts on free open forums. To me this is a place to share freely and take whatever I what for free. I hardly ever get offended except when I start reading post about great deals at Horrible freight. That get me going every time. :)
I’m also a believer that everyone on this forum has been wrong and right a time or two. It works very well having no leadership we keep what we have if we give it away for free.
I like the Camaro

-- Aj

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