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Forum topic by magconpres posted 05-29-2020 01:29 PM 380 views 0 times favorited 11 replies Add to Favorites Watch
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magconpres

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05-29-2020 01:29 PM

A bit about me:
I’m a new hobbyist. I used to have a bench top saw, but gave it away when I was moving into my recently built shop. It was just too small for what I want and now that I have the space, I wanted a cabinet saw.

I am also a member of a local woodworking guild and have access to a well equipped shop with very large Sawstops, planers, drum sanders, panel saws, etc. I intend to use the guild’s shop for my milling and cutting down panels and do the rest of my joining and finishing at home.

Other tools I own include a miter saw, a drill press, plunge router, and handheld tools (saws, drills, etc).

Initially, I plan to make cabinets and fixture for the shop and them move on to built in shelves for my garage that I’m now refinishing. I’d like to make some nicer furniture someday for the home.

I’ve narrowed my choices down to either the Laguna Fusion F2 or the F3. I’ve read tons of posts on 1.75 vs 3HP saws and agree that I probably don’t need 3HP. I do have 220 and 100A service in the shop, so power is not an issue. Both saws have cabinet mounted trunions, with the F2 being Aluminum and the F3 being Cast Iron. The F3 is a bit more solidly built, but this is a home shop, not an industrial setting. I’m not sure if there are other benefits to that (maybe less vibration) that affect the enjoyment in using the saw. The F3 has an upgraded miter gauge & fence and an outfeed table. The F3 is about $800 more.

Both saws are 10% off for another 2 days, so I need to make a decision quick.

$800 is a good chunk of change for anyone, myself included, but I have the money at the moment. I don’t necessarily want to spend the extra $800, but I also don’t want to have to buy another saw 5 years down the road.

So I’m waffling and need a push one way or the other. Other than the increase power, are the other improvements worth much in terms of the cost difference? I do like the idea of the flexibility of being able to run the F2 on 110 so I could wheel it out to my carport and reduce the dust in the shop, but a heavy extension cord could solve that.

Thanks for the input.
James


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JackDuren

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#1 posted 05-29-2020 01:37 PM

So why Laguna.I’ve never seen one, worked with one but do hear of hobby woodworkers buying them. Is it the name, price etc?

Just curious….

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ChefHDAN

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#2 posted 05-29-2020 02:04 PM

I didn’t know that Laguna was making TS’s, or that they had 3 versions on the market. Given their respected name with their BS’s I would be reassured and after watching this F2 Unboxing Video, I have to say I would consider it too, I hope there is an LJ here that has one I’d like to hear an owners perspective.

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WoodenDreams

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#3 posted 05-29-2020 06:59 PM

As far a the 10% discount on Laguna, Jet, Sawstop, Powermatic and some other brands out there, YOU DON’T NEED TO RUSH!!! I consider the 10% off on these to be the everyday price. There is almost always a 10% discount on monthly on these brands, and sometimes free shipping. Companies like Grizzly, their discount prices are monthly, but on selected models.

Some stores, if you have it shipped to the store, there is no shipping fees, if you pick it at the store (if you have a way to unload from your pick-up).

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therealSteveN

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#4 posted 05-29-2020 07:04 PM

I won’t enter the F2 or F3 debate. Every time I start to buy a Laguna tool, another rash of poor cust service threads pop up. It happens with them so often I think it must be something they don’t give much thought about.

Plenty of pro and con Griz reviews, but not even close to the cons I have seen through the years about Laguna’s.

So I’ll introduce to the mix a Griz.

https://www.grizzly.com/products/Grizzly-10-2-HP-120V-Hybrid-Table-Saw-with-T-Shaped-Fence/G0771Z

In the same time span you are talking about, if you are a 1st responder, or a vet, Griz has 10% off for you.

https://www.grizzly.com/?trk_msg=TJDSARL331E4994M72E2IA744S&trk_contact=TEAJAL8GE1RQM4MNNV5EPU03MC&trk_sid=SHD0FA4IQENQ8FL8DT9OK39L0O&utm_source=listrak&utm_medium=email&utm_term=Grizzly+Industrial&utm_campaign=10%25+off+discount+-+May&utm_content=10%25+off+orders

About the trunnions. Cast Iron table mounted trunions have been the standard forever. I would pass on ones of aluminum.

Just something to chew on.

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magconpres

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#5 posted 05-30-2020 02:45 PM

Thanks for the replies.
As far as “Why the Laguna saws?” it is mostly the features and price. I like the overhead dust control and the built in mobile base, and the cabinet mounted trunions are a requirement for me, which ruled out some other hybrids.

The saws also appear to be at a quality consistent with Grizzly and other saws in the class.

I’d get the Fusion through a local dealer (the only way they sell), so would have someone to work with if there were issues.

As far as Grizzly is concerned, I think the better match to the F2 is this saw: https://www.grizzly.com/products/Grizzly-10-Hybrid-Table-Saw-With-Riving-Knife/G0899.
Toss in another 90 for the mobile base and we are at a comparable saw, but the cost is about $300 more after paying for shipping.

I slight bump in HP of the Grizz is nice for the price, but again, probably not necessary.

So, I’m still on the fence and may likely let this sale pass. I’ve waited 4 months for this (had to get the shop done), so another month or 2 won’t be too big a deal. Then again, there’s a new dirtbike I want so maybe I’ll just bag on the tablesaw all together (still have access to the guild’s shop when they reopen.)

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ibewjon

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#6 posted 05-30-2020 03:20 PM

As for Laguna customer service, I think a couple people with a bad experience yell the loudest. Most people rarely mention good CS. I have made few calls, mostly for questions about a used 19/38 sander I bought. Every time, a great, professional experience. Zero complaints from me.

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magconpres

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#7 posted 05-30-2020 04:46 PM

Ibewjon, I’m not too concerned about the level of service. I rarely had to contact a manufacturer for support. Usually, I can get most of the info I need from forums such as these and deal with things myself. Generally, I’ve only needed support right after the purchase (missing parts, etc).

RealSteve, thanks for the comments on the aluminum trunnions. That alone rules out the F2,

I’m starting to lean towards the Grizzly I posted a link to. It has cast iron trunnions, overhead dust collection, and I can add the base.

But, I’m going to sit on this some more. I have a shed to build before I need to make cabinets for the shop. I was rushing to take advantage of Fusions sale price, But as WoodeDreams mentioned, sales come and go.

mcp

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therealSteveN

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#8 posted 05-30-2020 05:00 PM

If you are thinking of Griz, even at all. Sign up for email alerts from them, they come out with some regularity. Seems a bit more of late what with the trade arrangements between China, and US. Plus you will see the occasional 10% discount, and free S&H which otherwise you may not see. I would suggest the same with any manufacturer you are considering, even if not seriously now, for the same reason.

In between after the shop is built, make it a daily habit of cruising the local Craig’s List. Even daily you will see deals come, and be gone, but stuff is always coming along.

You don’t show a location, I’m in SW Ohio, and have been an auction fan forever. Here they had “Auction Watch” but it wasn’t available everywhere. It has now morphed to Vendio, see below, maybe still not everywhere, but you can enter keywords to watch for items for you, that have come up, so you know sooner, rather than later.

http://www.vendio.com/vendio_redirect.html?vurl=/

It’s better to see a deal, and have the ability to pass on it, than not know they exist.

-- Think safe, be safe

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WoodenDreams

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#9 posted 05-30-2020 11:18 PM

As ‘therealStevenN’ says, sign up for Grizzly email alerts. Grizzly also has a free 700 page free catalog that they’ll send you. It’s nice to know what equipment, tools, supplies and accessories woodworkering suppliers have to offer. Depending on the type of woodworking you plan on, other companies also have free catalogs and email alerts also. Such as Rockler, Woodcraft, Lee Valley, Peachtree, Penn State Ind, Packard and etc.

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Nate2601

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#10 posted 05-31-2020 01:29 AM

I just spent 4 months on the table saw bandwagon. I looked at all the brands SS, Grizzly, and Laguna. Price wise SS was out of my budget. I had narrowed it down to the Laguna F3 and the G1023. I liked the Laguna for the 36” fence, the European style fence, and the dust collection. I liked the price of the Grizzly and the amount of positive reviews from people on this page. It was pretty much a wash for me. It sounds funny but the deciding factor was the distance from the blade while fully up and the front of the table. The g1023 had 12” and the F3 only had 8”. I have a small contractor saw right now and I run into issues with jigs and work pieces not being stable on the front of the table. Just my 2 cents. Good luck

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ibewjon

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#11 posted 05-31-2020 02:01 PM

I like the Laguna tools I have, but that small space to the blade would be a deal breaker for me also.

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