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Forum topic by woodetal posted 05-20-2020 05:22 PM 205 views 0 times favorited 7 replies Add to Favorites Watch
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woodetal

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05-20-2020 05:22 PM

First the question, then the story: What is the best path to match an existing poly mission red finish on what is solid QSWO for bedside tables?
Now the story. The bedside tables were made to match a stickley style cal king bed, spindle head and foot boards. I have LONG forgotten what I used as a poly and perhaps stain on the side tables. The significant other wanted to replace the mattress. I was fine with what ever she wanted. Well the new mattress is @ 7+inches higher than the original. That makes my side tables seven or so inches too short. AND, I made matching mission lamps with mica lampshades that fit the furniture. So, I need to lift the side tables up around seven inches. Otherwise I am replacing the side tables and making two new ones. I have too many projects to get this done now or in the near future. So I have made a test of four leg extensions of 7 inches that I will Frankenstein on to the legs for the needed height adjustment.
Attaching the leg extensions by dowels of biscuits appears to be the best answer. I could design a stretcher for the sides and center to add some support. Or just go with the dowel type of connection. Thoughts on the finish, extensions and connection welcome. I will file this in the general forum as well. Best, Brian.


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Rich

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#1 posted 05-20-2020 06:12 PM

I don’t see how anyone can help you match the color without being there.

Regarding a process, use some QSWO test boards, start with something close to what you want, and tweak it until you get close enough. You can mix other stains in, if it’s water based you can alter the color with Transtint dyes, and pigments like Mixol can be used to change the color of pretty much anything.

I use a Color Muse to sample colors and calculate the DeltaE between them. It’s a simple matter of sampling each and plugging the Lab values for them into a calculator (easy to find online) to get a numerical representation of the difference between the two colors. Generally getting it down below 4 is good enough.

Edit: I went back and reviewed the comments on a blog post I did about matching existing stain color and it reminded me to tell you to take copious notes as you develop your color. It’s easiest to work with a scaled-down volume, get the color right and then scale it back up for the final mix.

-- Half of what we read or hear about finishing is right. We just don’t know which half! — Bob Flexner

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woodetal

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#2 posted 05-20-2020 08:45 PM



I don t see how anyone can help you match the color without being there.

Regarding a process, use some QSWO test boards, start with something close to what you want, and tweak it until you get close enough. You can mix other stains in, if it s water based you can alter the color with Transtint dyes, and pigments like Mixol can be used to change the color of pretty much anything.

I use a Color Muse to sample colors and calculate the DeltaE between them. It s a simple matter of sampling each and plugging the Lab values for them into a calculator (easy to find online) to get a numerical representation of the difference between the two colors. Generally getting it down below 4 is good enough.

Edit: I went back and reviewed the comments on a blog post I did about matching existing stain color and it reminded me to tell you to take copious notes as you develop your color. It s easiest to work with a scaled-down volume, get the color right and then scale it back up for the final mix.

- Rich

Great suggestions. The red tint has me lost. I stained the piece. I just cannot remember with what. I will update as I move forward with very good notes! Brian

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#3 posted 05-20-2020 10:18 PM

Suggestion: Try asking your local industrial wood finish supplier for color match stain?

Have 3 industrial suppliers here in Phoenix that offer wood stain color match services. Take some sanded lumber for baseline and testing, and item to match; leave store with a gallon of matching stain. Have to buy gallon, but when you it absolutely must match that is cost of the project.

Note that if you intended to apply an oil based top coat that adds some yellow, they will need to know and adjust. One shop asks me to finish a sample panel with just top coat. They can measure the color difference with spectrometer on raw wood, and top coated wood; to subtract it from final color.

Some retail SW stores and BORG claim they can color match stains. Don’t believe them. Color match stains are trickier than matching wall paint. Best to seek help of industrial wood finishing professional, unless you DIY.

Best Luck.

-- If it wasn't for bad luck, I wouldn't have no luck at all, - Albert King - Born Under a Bad Sign released 1967

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Rich

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#4 posted 05-20-2020 10:50 PM

Great suggestions. The red tint has me lost. I stained the piece. I just cannot remember with what. I will update as I move forward with very good notes! Brian

- woodetal

I’m sure you’ll get it right. You have a big advantage since it will be in a relatively dimly lit area and down near the floor where any difference will be less noticeable.

-- Half of what we read or hear about finishing is right. We just don’t know which half! — Bob Flexner

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SMP

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#5 posted 05-21-2020 04:53 AM

I seem to remember some articles by Jeff Jewitt talking about mission finishes and a couple mentioned Transtint “reddish brown”. If you got the idea from a magazine and used one of the more popular brands…does that ring a bell?

See here:
https://homesteadfinishingproducts.com/stickley.pdf

Does yours look anything like sample 2?

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ChefHDAN

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#6 posted 05-21-2020 11:21 AM

You might want to check out some of Thomas Johnson’s videos, he’s a 2nd or 3rd gen refinisher and blows me away with the way that he matches colors using stains, shellac, dye colors, and spray toners. He has a video on his stain process here but you’ll see him do matches in most every video, and I can fall down the rabbit hole and lose hours watching him.

From watching him, I do not think you’re going to find your fix in a single bottle/jar of anything. It seems that the spray toners, can really make the magic work to get to the final color shown in this video

And I would bet your solution to the final color is going to be one of the mahogany versions shown here at Klingspors.

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#7 posted 05-23-2020 05:00 AM

So the child says “Dad, I’m afraid to go to sleep as there is a monster under my bed” Dad gets a saw and cuts the legs off the bed.
Instead of raising all the other furniture, maybe lower the bed. :>)

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