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meromero20

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04-24-2020 12:11 PM

So, I have been drooling and searching all over the internet for reviews and comparisons on the No 62 Low Angle Lie Nielsen and the low angle veritas for quite some time to decide on which to go with.

I see a lot of hype for both which makes it a bit more difficult to decide. they are both great companies and products, now, can any one tell me what is better on the Veritas over the Lie Nielsen or is it just a matter of preference. I think the bodies are pretty much even, but I cannot find any one talking about their blades. Is the Veritas PM-V11 better than what Lie Nielsen uses?

I only have a block plane, the LN adjustable mouth block plane and want to expand. Pretty much set on the LA Jack, either LN or Veritas. Just have not made my mind yet. Also looking to get a No 4 but again, not sure which one.

Any good advise will be greatly appreciated.


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CaptainKlutz

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#1 posted 04-24-2020 02:09 PM

Welcome to LumberJocks!

If you search these forums for PM-11 feedback, you will find many comparison opinions. It is hard not to make comparisons between blades?

Never compared both #62 side by side, sorry. Did test both before buying one. Used a LN on demo loan for a few weeks, and didn’t buy it due extra time required for blade sharpening. Bought the Veritas due IMHO – better blade. IME – PM-11 blades stay sharp longer, and take less time to sharpen compared LN (or any) A2 blades.
Hate to sound like a commercial for PM-11 plane blades, but most all my 12 assorted Stanley Bedrock planes have been changed to PM-11 blades.

YMMV

-- If it wasn't for bad luck, I wouldn't have no luck at all, Doom, despair, agony on me… - Albert King - Born Under a Bad Sign released 1967

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KelleyCrafts

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#2 posted 04-24-2020 02:23 PM

Another vote for the PM-V11 blades. I like them. Lie Nielson uses O1 tool steel which is great, just not as good imo.

-- Dave - http://kelleycrafts.com/ - pen blanks - knife scales - turning tools

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Andre

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#3 posted 04-24-2020 02:26 PM

Short answer is yes the PMV-11 blade is better, I do have both and some Hock irons. Style and comfort and even brand preference will and should be considered as well as price? I have the 60 1/2 rabbit LN as well as the Veritas DX60 and a Stanley 60 1/2. Being a Canadian the dollar exchange now makes a huge difference when I am looking at tools, I purchased most of my tools many years ago, most at par! Went to a few LN shows and have a Lee Valley 20 min. away so have used both styles, like the looks of the LN but find the Veritas perform better after they are set up!
The #62 is one plane that for some reason I still want to get for personal reasons only since I find I use my #4 Stanley(with PMV-11iron) more than even either of my #4 Veritas (high angle and low angle)? Well maybe a #10 1/2 just because it looks cool?
As of lately have been leaning towards more vintage tools, LOL must be my age? Still hoping/dreaming of someday finding a Vintage Stanley #62 at a yard sale:)

-- Lifting one end of the plank.

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meromero20

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#4 posted 04-24-2020 07:24 PM



Welcome to LumberJocks!

If you search these forums for PM-11 feedback, you will find many comparison opinions. It is hard not to make comparisons between blades?

Never compared both #62 side by side, sorry. Did test both before buying one. Used a LN on demo loan for a few weeks, and didn t buy it due extra time required for blade sharpening. Bought the Veritas due IMHO – better blade. IME – PM-11 blades stay sharp longer, and take less time to sharpen compared LN (or any) A2 blades.
Hate to sound like a commercial for PM-11 plane blades, but most all my 12 assorted Stanley Bedrock planes have been changed to PM-11 blades.

YMMV

- CaptainKlutz



Another vote for the PM-V11 blades. I like them. Lie Nielson uses O1 tool steel which is great, just not as good imo.

- KelleyCrafts

Thank you both for the response and suggestions. I have looked and found some posts. I am leaning towards the Veritas for the blade even though someone posted that they make a 2” blade that could fit on the LN. But did not find anything with certainty.

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meromero20

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#5 posted 04-24-2020 07:37 PM



Short answer is yes the PMV-11 blade is better, I do have both and some Hock irons. Style and comfort and even brand preference will and should be considered as well as price? I have the 60 1/2 rabbit LN as well as the Veritas DX60 and a Stanley 60 1/2. Being a Canadian the dollar exchange now makes a huge difference when I am looking at tools, I purchased most of my tools many years ago, most at par! Went to a few LN shows and have a Lee Valley 20 min. away so have used both styles, like the looks of the LN but find the Veritas perform better after they are set up!
The #62 is one plane that for some reason I still want to get for personal reasons only since I find I use my #4 Stanley(with PMV-11iron) more than even either of my #4 Veritas (high angle and low angle)? Well maybe a #10 1/2 just because it looks cool?
As of lately have been leaning towards more vintage tools, LOL must be my age? Still hoping/dreaming of someday finding a Vintage Stanley #62 at a yard sale:)

- Andre

Thanks for the comment, I almost pulled the trigger on the LN yesterday but then was also wanting the PM-V11 blade. Although I can afford to buy both, why would I do that when I am also looking for other planes, like a #4.

LV has a starter package, that I am tempted to get, but not sure about the SMALL Smoother versus the Regular BU or a #4. I also have not found much talk about it.

The starter set of planes include these three planes @589 USD with the PM-V11

05P2271, Veritas Low-Angle Block Plane, PM-V11
05P3971, Veritas Small BU Smooth Plane, PM-V11, with 25 and 50° blades
05P3471, Veritas Low-Angle Jack Plane, PM-V11

Any recommendations on a smoothing plane to complement the LA Jack.

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Foghorn

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#6 posted 04-24-2020 10:56 PM

Short answer is yes the PMV-11 blade is better, I do have both and some Hock irons. Style and comfort and even brand preference will and should be considered as well as price? I have the 60 1/2 rabbit LN as well as the Veritas DX60 and a Stanley 60 1/2. Being a Canadian the dollar exchange now makes a huge difference when I am looking at tools, I purchased most of my tools many years ago, most at par! Went to a few LN shows and have a Lee Valley 20 min. away so have used both styles, like the looks of the LN but find the Veritas perform better after they are set up!
The #62 is one plane that for some reason I still want to get for personal reasons only since I find I use my #4 Stanley(with PMV-11iron) more than even either of my #4 Veritas (high angle and low angle)? Well maybe a #10 1/2 just because it looks cool?
As of lately have been leaning towards more vintage tools, LOL must be my age? Still hoping/dreaming of someday finding a Vintage Stanley #62 at a yard sale:)

- Andre

Thanks for the comment, I almost pulled the trigger on the LN yesterday but then was also wanting the PM-V11 blade. Although I can afford to buy both, why would I do that when I am also looking for other planes, like a #4.

LV has a starter package, that I am tempted to get, but not sure about the SMALL Smoother versus the Regular BU or a #4. I also have not found much talk about it.

The starter set of planes include these three planes @589 USD with the PM-V11

05P2271, Veritas Low-Angle Block Plane, PM-V11
05P3971, Veritas Small BU Smooth Plane, PM-V11, with 25 and 50° blades
05P3471, Veritas Low-Angle Jack Plane, PM-V11

Any recommendations on a smoothing plane to complement the LA Jack.

- meromero20


Absolutely love my Veritas low angle smoother. Having said that, I love my Lie Nielsen 4 1/2 too. :)

-- Darrel

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bigJohninvegas

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#7 posted 04-25-2020 05:31 AM

I had a Lie Nielsen road show here in Vegas a few years back, and had the chance to use both the LV and the LN planes side by side. The local school that hosted the show had several LV Veritas planes. As far as quality I think they are right with each other. And I did buy a little LN block plane that day. I was in the market for a medium shoulder, and what I thought was going to be a #62. However, I found the LN planes to be uncomfortable in my hand. I am 6’5”, and do have large hands. So I wound up with a Veritas medium shoulder. And never did get around to the #62. Since then I have rebuilt several old Stanley planes that I upgraded to the PM-V11 cap iron and blade sets that LV sells. For me the Veritas planes just felt better in my hand. Pure personal preference. I did intend on buying more Veritas planes, but one at a time I have found great deals on old Stanley planes. Funny how things work out.
Aside from my little block plane, I have no experience sharpening Lie Nielsen blades. And only needed to sharpen, (lite touch up) twice so far. For my Stanley planes, I could have got A1, or O2, but chose the PM-V11 off of good reviews.
And have no regrets.
My little LN block plane has held its edge just fine. So my opinion is test them all, and the plane that feels good to you will be the best plane you can buy for you.
Good luck,

-- John

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Redoak49

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#8 posted 04-25-2020 11:14 AM

Being new to hand woodworking, I do not think you will be able to tell the difference in blades. For me, doing a good job sharpening is more important than blade material selection.

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meromero20

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#9 posted 04-25-2020 12:05 PM

Thank you all for the comments and suggestions. I live in the Orlando FL area and there is no store that carries either of the two brands that I know of. I have also looked into Craigslist and ebay and found the Stanley planes to be quite high in price for items that I would have to Refurb. Now on top of it, with this pandemic, no shows either for the moment. I will make a selection and order, Most likely the Veritas starter kit.

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OSU55

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#10 posted 04-25-2020 02:48 PM

If the decision is based on irons only, it’s very easy – Veritas PM-V11. In my case if the decision is based on the plane it’s still LV. Significant design improvements like the adj mout with stop and blade set screws make it a better tool than the LN. Now if you buy on looks it’s probably the LN.

I have O1, A2, and PM-V11 irons and rank them PM 1st, O1 2nd. A2 likes to chip. The steeper the bevel the it works but PM lasts as long and sharpens easier, and doesnt chip out as badly.

As for a smoother, get the big one. It takes the same iron as the bu jack. With bu planes you want multiple irons at different angles so one is prepped for a specific task. I keep one at 25, 38, and 50 deg each. For a block the LV apron plane is all you really need. Pick up a Stanley Bailey 4 or equal – the best all around plane. Look up Paul Sellers to see what one can do. Its the one plane I dont want to be without.

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meromero20

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#11 posted 04-25-2020 03:29 PM



If the decision is based on irons only, it’s very easy – Veritas PM-V11. In my case if the decision is based on the plane it’s still LV. Significant design improvements like the adj mout with stop and blade set screws make it a better tool than the LN. Now if you buy on looks it’s probably the LN.

I have O1, A2, and PM-V11 irons and rank them PM 1st, O1 2nd. A2 likes to chip. The steeper the bevel the it works but PM lasts as long and sharpens easier, and doesnt chip out as badly.

As for a smoother, get the big one. It takes the same iron as the bu jack. With bu planes you want multiple irons at different angles so one is prepped for a specific task. I keep one at 25, 38, and 50 deg each. For a block the LV apron plane is all you really need. Pick up a Stanley Bailey 4 or equal – the best all around plane. Look up Paul Sellers to see what one can do. Its the one plane I dont want to be without.

- OSU55

OSU55, thanks for the advise. My decision is not based on solely the iron. I know both Lie Nielsen and Veritas are good and reputable brands, I actually have a LN 60 1/2 block plane and I am very happy with it. I tend to work more with power tools (Well also some scrappers) and want to expand in hand tools. As I research I tend to see a lot of good reviews for both companies. Now, also saw a lot of people talking about the PMV11 irons and wanted to learn more about it to make my decision.

I was looking at the starter kit from Veritas, mainly because it came with the No 62 I am after and also a smoother (Although the smoother is the smaller one). Also includes with the smoother a 25 and 50 degree PMV11 Irons. although it also comes with a block plane (I honestly do not need) thought the cost of the kit was fair. Now, It sounds like it might be better just to buy the no 62 and a smoother.

I do have a Stanley Type 11 no5 Jack plane that needs some work but that will be for another day. I am looking for a 2” lever for it as the one it has the edges are fairly chipped (Not sure if it makes that much of a difference or not).

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meromero20

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#12 posted 04-26-2020 05:48 PM

Thank you all for the advise and suggestions. Ended up getting the starter set with the PM-V11 blades.

https://www.leevalley.com/en-us/shop/tools/hand-tools/planes/bevel-up/74187-starter-set-of-veritas-planes

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Andre

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#13 posted 04-26-2020 06:17 PM


Short answer is yes the PMV-11 blade is better, I do have both and some Hock irons. Style and comfort and even brand preference will and should be considered as well as price? I have the 60 1/2 rabbit LN as well as the Veritas DX60 and a Stanley 60 1/2. Being a Canadian the dollar exchange now makes a huge difference when I am looking at tools, I purchased most of my tools many years ago, most at par! Went to a few LN shows and have a Lee Valley 20 min. away so have used both styles, like the looks of the LN but find the Veritas perform better after they are set up!
The #62 is one plane that for some reason I still want to get for personal reasons only since I find I use my #4 Stanley(with PMV-11iron) more than even either of my #4 Veritas (high angle and low angle)? Well maybe a #10 1/2 just because it looks cool?
As of lately have been leaning towards more vintage tools, LOL must be my age? Still hoping/dreaming of someday finding a Vintage Stanley #62 at a yard sale:)

- Andre

Thanks for the comment, I almost pulled the trigger on the LN yesterday but then was also wanting the PM-V11 blade. Although I can afford to buy both, why would I do that when I am also looking for other planes, like a #4.

LV has a starter package, that I am tempted to get, but not sure about the SMALL Smoother versus the Regular BU or a #4. I also have not found much talk about it.

The starter set of planes include these three planes @589 USD with the PM-V11

05P2271, Veritas Low-Angle Block Plane, PM-V11
05P3971, Veritas Small BU Smooth Plane, PM-V11, with 25 and 50° blades
05P3471, Veritas Low-Angle Jack Plane, PM-V11

Any recommendations on a smoothing plane to complement the LA Jack.

- meromero20

I got the Veritas # 4 with the 55 deg. iron and large size hand grip and the Veritas scraper plane when I was working on some real difficult Walnut burl, think I used every plane in the shop and final finish hand scrapers:) This was all back when $ was at par and I actually got a pay cheque, the good old days:)

-- Lifting one end of the plank.

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therealSteveN

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#14 posted 04-26-2020 06:21 PM



Thank you all for the advise and suggestions. Ended up getting the starter set with the PM-V11 blades.

https://www.leevalley.com/en-us/shop/tools/hand-tools/planes/bevel-up/74187-starter-set-of-veritas-planes

- meromero20

I would call that a very good start. You will be happy with your choice. Rob Lee guarantees that you will be happy too. At least for 3 months, which should be long enough to fully evaluate your new tools.

https://www.leevalley.com/en-us/promo/guaranteeandreturns

Enjoy your new planes. :-)

-- Think safe, be safe

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meromero20

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#15 posted 04-27-2020 05:16 PM


I got the Veritas # 4 with the 55 deg. iron and large size hand grip and the Veritas scraper plane when I was working on some real difficult Walnut burl, think I used every plane in the shop and final finish hand scrapers:) This was all back when $ was at par and I actually got a pay cheque, the good old days:)

- Andre

Thanks Andre, hope you are still enjoying the tools even though times have gotten harder.

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