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Floyd Hall

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04-16-2020 09:39 PM

Topic tags/keywords: bench vises

Hi all. I recently purchased a set of reconditioned hand planes—a 4, 5, 6 and 7, together with a low angle and a regular angle block plane.

I plan on adding a tail vise to an 8ft table I’m building and a single line of bench dog holes. I’m also thinking of face vise—quick realm woodworkers vise or a leg vise.

Any thoughts?

Floyd


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#1 posted 04-16-2020 09:45 PM

Whichever you choose I recommend having the inner jaw of the vise flush with the front of the bench so that you can clamp long pieces against the bench. I didn’t do this and have found many times this would have been very helpful to the point where I plan on rebuilding the front apron of my bench in the next few months.

-- Dave

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#2 posted 04-16-2020 09:58 PM

If you ask 100 people, you’ll get 500 answers, none wrong or right. Interestingly, go on YouTube and search for Mike Siemsen viseless bench, he shows how to work without one. Others like Paul Sellers swear by a quick release vise with a clamp in the vise. I built mine with a traditional english face vise. But for planing i just use a planing stop.

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#3 posted 04-17-2020 02:20 AM



Whichever you choose I recommend having the inner jaw of the vise flush with the front of the bench so that you can clamp long pieces against the bench.
- Thorbjorn88

Good tip. Thanks.

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therealSteveN

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#4 posted 04-17-2020 04:52 AM

99% of the answer here will depend on the budget you are allowing.

For starting out the low cost vises at Harbor freight do work, just don’t expect the smoothness of action you get from the top of the line vises. But they do work.

-- Think safe, be safe

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Floyd Hall

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#5 posted 04-17-2020 06:06 AM

Well, one of the things about the leg vise, like the tail vise, is it is cheaper. That’ good. If I need fancier vises later, I’ll buy them. What I need right now is good hold downs for longer boards. They don’t have to be fancy. But I need to be able to secure 8ft boards both for flattening and joining.

Floyd

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#6 posted 04-17-2020 11:13 AM

For jointing, the kind of vise doesn’t make a big difference. Just something to clamp upright.

I have both a quick release and a leg vise. I like both.

I don’t typically clamp for the flat, I just use a stop.

-- http://timetestedtools.net - Collecting is an investment in the past, and the future.

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#7 posted 04-17-2020 12:24 PM

not everybody agrees about the vise flush with the front.
https://paulsellers.com/2014/01/flush-vises/

-- Sylvain, Brussels, Belgium, Europe - The more I learn, the more there is to learn

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Floyd Hall

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#8 posted 04-17-2020 07:42 PM


I don t typically clamp for the flat, I just use a stop.

- Don W

What kind of stop do you use? Forgive me if that’s a dumb question. I really don’t know anything about this.

Floyd

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#9 posted 04-17-2020 08:16 PM

My father had a bench with a 1950s vintage quick release vise. I hated the damned thing. It was hard as Hell to get the jaws positioned so that a quarter or half turn of the handle would tighten correctly. Usually, you got back to the slot before you ever got it tightened. Me, personally, I would not ever want to have to fight with another one.
Current bench has a leg vise on front left leg, rear jaw flush with the 2X6 apron. Got the entire vise, parallel beam and all, at flea market for $15, because the seller wasn’t sure what it was. Repurposed the hardware and parallel beam with new lumber for this bench. Works great for me. (Big fan of rear jaw FLUSH with front of the bench.)
That being said, the advise to watch some YouTube videos showing different vises is the best thing you can do. Make notes on which styles you like and may work the best for you. Then you can decide between them which you actually want to install on your bench.

-- OleGrump

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Floyd Hall

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#10 posted 04-17-2020 08:26 PM


Current bench has a leg vise on front left leg, rear jaw flush with the 2X6 apron. Got the entire vise, parallel beam and all, at flea market for $15, because the seller wasn t sure what it was. Repurposed the hardware and parallel beam with new lumber for this bench. Works great for me. (Big fan of rear jaw FLUSH with front of the bench.)
- OleGrump

Yeah, I’m focusing on the leg vice right now. Would you mind posting a picture of yours?

Floyd

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bigJohninvegas

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#11 posted 04-17-2020 09:19 PM

I am using the large Quick release steel bench vise from Lee Valley. See link below.
I thought about making it flush, but in the end I did not.
Has worked fine for me. But that is what worked me. Like others said, not right or wrong way. Just whatever you feel will fit your needs.
With this vise, 1/4 turn releases it, but tightening depends on how hard you push it into the item being clamped.
1/4 to several turns. Its all on you.
Here is the link
https://www.leevalley.com/en-us/shop/tools/workshop/workbenches/vises/49980-quick-release-steel-bench-vises

I have the 10-1/2” vise. They have smaller versions. And other companies have less costly versions that I wonder if they are really the same vise.
Bench was brand new, and I had not added dog holes yet.

-- John

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#12 posted 04-17-2020 09:34 PM


I don t typically clamp for the flat, I just use a stop.

- Don W

What kind of stop do you use? Forgive me if that s a dumb question. I really don t know anything about this.

Floyd

- Floyd Hall

Sometimes it’s just a dowel in the holes in my bench, sometimes I stick a piece of wood in my end vise and let it stick up a little. There are countless ways to make or provide for a plane stop.

-- http://timetestedtools.net - Collecting is an investment in the past, and the future.

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#13 posted 04-18-2020 01:07 AM

I don t typically clamp for the flat, I just use a stop.

- Don W

What kind of stop do you use? Forgive me if that s a dumb question. I really don t know anything about this.

Floyd

- Floyd Hall

If you have dogholes in the top you can get these veritas type for wider boards:
https://www.leevalley.com/en-us/shop/tools/workshop/workbenches/benchtop-accessories/69837-veritas-planing-stop

Or you can get a semi-traditional stop like this, there setup is nice where you can just screw to the side of your bench if you don’t want to mortise the traditional one in:
https://toolsforworkingwood.com/store/item/BT-PS.XX

Another option is making a shooting board like Timothy Rousseau’s that clamps in the vise and you can use as a planing stop.

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Don W

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#14 posted 04-18-2020 11:45 AM

https://www.lumberjocks.com/donwilwol/blog/33500

My most used vise

https://www.lumberjocks.com/donwilwol/blog/34022

-- http://timetestedtools.net - Collecting is an investment in the past, and the future.

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#15 posted 04-18-2020 12:31 PM

I use my tail vise and leg vise almost equally. The tail vise is mainly used for hand planing and holding pieces that are difficult to clamp because of their shape. I’d say the tail vise is almost a requirement for hand planing. I have one row of dog holes lined up for that vise. I placed a second row of dog holes further back on the bench for using hold fasts. I have both of my vises flush with the surface of the bench; not mandatory, but worth it in the long run.

None of these things are mandatory, but a face/leg vise, and end vise, and hold fasts greatly increase your abiilty to effectively hold/clamp work pieces. Its hard to know what you need until you start using the tools.

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