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BSM

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04-12-2020 10:28 PM

I purchased a Komo Innova 408 router Months ago and finally have it under power. This all happened last weekend and was really excited until I have tried all week to home the ATC and cant get it to get rid of the message. I called Komo and had no help other than to try things I already tried. I got the its been a while since i worked on one answers. Its a Komo Innova with a Fanuc 210MB controller running Fanuc Basic control on Windows XP. Any help would be greatly appreciated.


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Aj2

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#1 posted 04-13-2020 12:15 AM

I really have no idea what your asking or what that machine is supposed to do. But try this
When I have a machine that’s not working like it’s supposed to I give it a good wack with my hand sometimes it helps me feel better. :)

Good Luck

-- Aj

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#2 posted 04-13-2020 02:40 AM

Diagnosing automatic tool changers (ATC) is not easy. Only way I know to do it is verify every move the tool makes and ensure it really happens. All kinds of things can make it not work right. Bent or sticky tool holders, loose power/communication wires, bad sensors, faulty/damaged encoders, etc, etc. Since you just moved and installed a used machine, could have all kinds of hardware issues too.

Have no experience with Komo Innovo, so I can’t help with specific places to look. There are various CNC forums (vectric, routerforums, woodweb, practicalmachinist) where you can surf and try to find answers?

Have you checked out Komo support site? Found this with 5 second google search:
http://komo.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/07/FAQs-Home-the-Tool-Changer.pdf

Here is one generic machine tool help site suggestion for debugging ATC issues: http://www.machinetoolhelp.com/toolchanger-atc/toolchange-troubleshooting-alarms.html

Best Luck.

-- If it wasn't for bad luck, I wouldn't have no luck at all, - Albert King - Born Under a Bad Sign released 1967

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BSM

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#3 posted 04-13-2020 03:28 AM



I really have no idea what your asking or what that machine is supposed to do. But try this
When I have a machine that’s not working like it’s supposed to I give it a good wack with my hand sometimes it helps me feel better. :)

Good Luck

- Aj2

I have tried talking to it, gave it a sponge bath and gave it a good lubing in all the right places and nothing! Soon the beatings will begin if it still wont follow my directions!

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BSM

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#4 posted 04-13-2020 03:34 AM



Diagnosing automatic tool changers (ATC) is not easy. Only way I know to do it is verify every move the tool makes and ensure it really happens. All kinds of things can make it not work right. Bent or sticky tool holders, loose power/communication wires, bad sensors, faulty/damaged encoders, etc, etc. Since you just moved and installed a used machine, could have all kinds of hardware issues too.

Have no experience with Komo Innovo, so I can t help with specific places to look. There are various CNC forums (vectric, routerforums, woodweb, practicalmachinist) where you can surf and try to find answers?

Have you checked out Komo support site? Found this with 5 second google search:
http://komo.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/07/FAQs-Home-the-Tool-Changer.pdf

Here is one generic machine tool help site suggestion for debugging ATC issues: http://www.machinetoolhelp.com/toolchanger-atc/toolchange-troubleshooting-alarms.html

Best Luck.

- CaptainKlutz

Thanks for looking captain. The komo page you sent was the first place I looked On the page it says yours may be different and to call komo which I did. I am in Ohio and a rep from California called me and said he didnt know and to call komo and get his supervisor to call me. I’m trying to get a operator manual or my exact machine from komo but no luck yet. I dont think anything is broken I just dont know the startup if this machine

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DS

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#5 posted 04-13-2020 04:58 AM

This was the machine I cut my teeth on with CNC. (My first machine ever)
CaptainKlutz makes all good points. I would examine all of those things.

If memory serves, there are two homing sensors on the ATC. One for rotation of the carousel and one that ensures the carousel is in the retracted position.

I can’t remember every detail since it was twenty years ago, but I think at least one was a Hall effect sensor (magnetic coil detects a metal plate), which would be sensitive to the spacing of the sensor. If one is an optical sensor, it counts on a blade breaking a beam. Sometimes the blade can get easily bent when moving the machine.

These older machines were built in Minnesota and the first Arizona summer meant adjusting a lot of the sensors back into range due to temperature variation. After that first year, the issues were resolved.

On the BOP basic operations panel, there is a state screen for diagnostics that will show you what the controller sees as the state of each input and output.
By monitoring this page, you can tell when each sensor detects home position. That should narrow down your search for the error. Possibilities include maladjusted sensors, non-functioning sensors, disconnected or broken wires and connectors, and maybe damaged controller inputs.

Another thing to check is that you have a solid ground (earth) connection to your machine, as a bad, or floating ground can wreak havoc on controller inputs. If your grounding rod is very far away from the machine, consider installing another one closer. Consult with a qualified electrician to verify your specific circumstances.

Go systematically through the inputs and outputs to the ATC and when you find the thing that is not responding, it will focus your efforts on what is wrong.

Once you get it working, that machine should be a solid performer for you.

Best of luck to you.

-- "Hard work is not defined by the difficulty of the task as much as a person's desire to perform it.", DS251

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DS

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#6 posted 04-13-2020 05:09 AM

Also, if there is some physical impediment of failed actuator preventing rotation or retraction of the carousel, the homing would also fail.

The air supply to this machine needs to be bone dry. Any moisture in your lines will clog the actuators very quickly.

-- "Hard work is not defined by the difficulty of the task as much as a person's desire to perform it.", DS251

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BSM

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#7 posted 05-02-2020 12:09 AM

After 2 weeks of saying a few bad words and head scratching this thing had come to life! I moving the rigger were not to careful and caused some connections to no longer be connected.

Now to find a few projects to what it will do. It has a 20,000 rpm spindle, cuts at 600ipm and Rapids at 1500ipm. The rapids are a little scary. If I can figure out how to post a video you will see what I mean.

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DS

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#8 posted 05-04-2020 05:46 PM

With the right tooling, you can cut 1100ipm with that machine. Been there, done that.
Window for error is tight tight tight at those speeds.

Didn’t I tell you it would be something simple?
Way to stick with it.

I’m glad you got it running.

-- "Hard work is not defined by the difficulty of the task as much as a person's desire to perform it.", DS251

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DS

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#9 posted 05-12-2020 03:59 AM

If I may ask, what type of products do you make?

-- "Hard work is not defined by the difficulty of the task as much as a person's desire to perform it.", DS251

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BSM

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#10 posted 05-12-2020 01:25 PM

We make parts for packaging, filling and labeling for bottles for Bath and Body and Victoria Secret, Abercrombie etc etc. ALOT of plastics and stainless parts. Lately alot of parts for hand sanitizers. There seems to be a huge demand for some reason??

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