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04-02-2020 04:42 AM

Last week I dropped my no 4 plane and it broke in half. I’ll definitely pick up an old Stanley or similar at a yard or estate sale in the next few months when going outside is a thing again but in the meantime, I’ve decided to pick up a premium smoother. I’m wondering if anyone has first-hand experience with both planes, particularly the Veritas? I’m wondering if the Norris adjuster is annoying or whether people like it? I’m sure I’d be happy with either plane in the long run but with things like this, I tend to way over-analyze. Oh well, what do you think?

-- Dave


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#1 posted 04-02-2020 05:26 AM

I’ve only got to use the LN at one of their events. Its a sexy beast. I have no doubt the Veritas functions just as well and the plus side is the PMV-11. But you could also do what the Schwarz does and buy the LN and put The pmv-11 iron in it. Personally I think the LN beats out the Veritas in looks hands down.

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#2 posted 04-02-2020 05:53 AM

I have the Veritas LA #4 and a 55 deg. Veritas #4 (both PMV-11) The iron make them worth the purchase but the Norris adjuster and blade set screws are also very functional. Also have a Veritas cabinet scrapper for that stuff nothing else will work on. That said I use my Stanley #4 (also PMV-11 iron) a lot more until the special function of either Veritas is called for? LOL, even the Bedrock 604 sometimes calls out to do some work. Recently acquired a Millers Falls 900 which is also a #4 size plane that may take some time to get used to. Have a few LN planes but not a fan of there bench series, maybe the brass ones?

-- Lifting one end of the plank.

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#3 posted 04-02-2020 10:59 AM

I have the LN 4-1/2 and really like it. I use it also as a shooting plane. The plane feels good in my hands and works well. I am not a big hand tool user but this one does a lot of different things.

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#4 posted 04-02-2020 12:15 PM

I own products from both manufacturers and if I was getting a boutique version of a traditional bench plane I’d get the Lie Nielsen. Functionally they’re the same and I prefer the looks of the LN over the Veritas. Veritas has those goofy handles so there’s that too.

-- Eric

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#5 posted 04-02-2020 02:02 PM

I’d say the are both great, it all comes down to if you like a Norris style adjuster or not. Personally I’m not a big fan of them so I tend to only buy Lie-Nielsen when I buy a high end plane.

-- Trust me I'm an engineer.

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#6 posted 04-02-2020 02:04 PM

I also use Lie Neilson planes. No complaints with the plane but I don’t care for A2 blades.

Good Luck

-- Aj

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#7 posted 04-02-2020 03:32 PM

I’m with Andre. I have a LN 4 1/2 with a 55 degree frog and a Bedrock 604 1/2 with a standard frog. They are both excellent planes, but they are large, heavy beasts – the LN is heavier than the Bedrock – and they are relatively hard to push. I don’t use them unless I have a large surface to smooth, which is not very often. My regular #4 and even my #3 get a lot more use. FWIW, I’m a LN fan. I own several Veritas specialty planes, but all of my bench planes are either LNs or Stanleys. I’m sure the Veritas planes are excellent; I just don’t care for the looks.

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#8 posted 04-02-2020 03:44 PM

Yeah, I’m leaning toward the LN with a standard frog. I have a few Krenov planes with higher frog angles and a cabinet scraper I use for really bad grain.

I’ve never actually used a 4 1/2, but figured bigger is better. Which do you prefer as your main plane a number 4 or 4 1/2?

-- Dave

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#9 posted 04-02-2020 03:58 PM



I m with Andre. I have a LN 4 1/2 with a 55 degree frog and a Bedrock 604 1/2 with a standard frog. They are both excellent planes, but they are large, heavy beasts – the LN is heavier than the Bedrock – and they are relatively hard to push. I don t use them unless I have a large surface to smooth, which is not very often. My regular #4 and even my #3 get a lot more use. FWIW, I m a LN fan. I own several Veritas specialty planes, but all of my bench planes are either LNs or Stanleys. I m sure the Veritas planes are excellent; I just don t care for the looks.

- MPython


I’ve got a similar set-up. I have the high angle LN but my bedrock is a standard frog 604 but I have an O1 Hock iron in it. I grab the 604 90% of the time but when you need that high angle frog, you need it.

-- Trust me I'm an engineer.

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#10 posted 04-02-2020 05:09 PM


I m with Andre. I have a LN 4 1/2 with a 55 degree frog and a Bedrock 604 1/2 with a standard frog. They are both excellent planes, but they are large, heavy beasts – the LN is heavier than the Bedrock – and they are relatively hard to push. I don t use them unless I have a large surface to smooth, which is not very often. My regular #4 and even my #3 get a lot more use. FWIW, I m a LN fan. I own several Veritas specialty planes, but all of my bench planes are either LNs or Stanleys. I m sure the Veritas planes are excellent; I just don t care for the looks.

- MPython

I ve got a similar set-up. I have the high angle LN but my bedrock is a standard frog 604 but I have an O1 Hock iron in it. I grab the 604 90% of the time but when you need that high angle frog, you need it.

- mramseyISU

Actually my first bench planes were all Krenov style with Hock irons, even a 2” blade smoother that does get used for really special projects!
I almost always start with smallest and project dictates which plane, sometimes only a card scrapper is used?

-- Lifting one end of the plank.

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#11 posted 04-02-2020 05:24 PM

I actually really like Krenov style planes, I think the main barrier to me using them exclusively as bench planes is the number I’d need to be productive. I think I’d need 2 good Krenov smoothers and 2 good Krenov jacks to be efficient because of the time it takes to switch between different kinds of cuts. Currently I have a great smoother, a good 18” jointer, and a bad jack plane. Right now shop time is a lot more valuable than money and I just want a good reliable smoother that I don’t have to think about. I do look forward to making more wooden planes when I get through a few of my outstanding projects.

-- Dave

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#12 posted 04-02-2020 05:28 PM

I do love my LN 4 1/2 for face planing….....

That said, the 4 is used more frequently.

-- Everything is a prototype thats why its one of a kind!!

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#13 posted 04-02-2020 05:30 PM



Yeah, I m leaning toward the LN with a standard frog. I have a few Krenov planes with higher frog angles and a cabinet scraper I use for really bad grain.

I ve never actually used a 4 1/2, but figured bigger is better. Which do you prefer as your main plane a number 4 or 4 1/2?

- Thorbjorn88

I don’t have LN or Veritas planes but I do have a full complement of vintage Millers Falls planes so I can jump in on this one. The 4-1/2 size is by far my favorite smoother and general purpose bench plane. I like the feel of the extra weight personally and the extra width makes smoothing wide boards much quicker. The added length makes it a capable plane for jointing shorter boards too. I use my #4 size occasionally but could live without it if it disappeared. Of course Paul Sellers can build a house with nothing but a #4 so there’s that… ;-)

-- Kenny, SW VA, Go Hokies!!!

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SMP

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#14 posted 04-02-2020 06:30 PM

I know Paul Sellers swears by th 4 1/2. If he could only have one plane it would be a 4 1/2 or 4, but he uses both a lot. Maybe i should buy an old 4 1/2 and try it for a whe.

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#15 posted 04-02-2020 07:38 PM

Have ‘owned’ both brands, but not in same size. Hated sharpening LN A2 blade so much, I returned the demo/loaner plane back to it’s owner, instead of buying it. The Veritas PM-11 steel is easier to sharpen and holds edge longer. Made any difference in using Norris adjuster irrelevant for me.

Like PM-11 for plane blades so much, majority of my Bedrock planes have Veritas PM-11 replacement irons and A2 chip breakers too. That is another reason I sold the LN. Found buying PM-11 replacements in existing restored Bedrock’s was cheaper than new LN planes, and I can’t tell the difference in performance?

YMMV

-- If it wasn't for bad luck, I wouldn't have no luck at all, - Albert King - Born Under a Bad Sign released 1967

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