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Forum topic by Rivercityjeff posted 03-28-2020 10:29 PM 426 views 1 time favorited 5 replies Add to Favorites Watch
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Rivercityjeff

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03-28-2020 10:29 PM

I’ve sprayed both waterborne finishes with an Earlex HVLP successfully. Usually over TransTint dyes and even on baltic birch plywood. By the way, I have told people than MW stain is of the devil, I hate it!

Locally GF is $75.00 a gallon and Polycrylic is $45.00

Someone please tell me why the General Finishes High Performance is worth more money. What does it do better?

-- Micah 6:8 <><


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#1 posted 03-28-2020 11:17 PM

General finish might have a higher solids. That would make it much more durable.
I have no complaints about anything General finish makes. Except
Water based Laquer was my favorite not sure they make it anymore.
Their milk paints are pricey but very nice to brush.

Good Luck

-- Aj

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#2 posted 03-28-2020 11:48 PM

IMHO – Are comparing GF retail list price and discounted BORG retail prices on MW.
Last I checked, GF HP ~$55/gal from a local distributor. Still more expensive, but better price?

If you using gallons of top coat, you should be using an industrial Finishes supplier. Will be much happier with selection and performance. Can get Gemini WB polyurethane for < $60/gal that performs better than both of the above (those acrylics are too soft IMHO).

If you insist on buying from BORG, try the Varathane WB Polyurethane for wood floors. Better surface hardness than either acrylic above, and reasonably priced too. New Varathane products from Rustoleum at BORG are next generation in WB wood finishes created after GF HP and MW polycrylic existed.

+1 Min Wax sucks.
MinWax is Sherwin Williams retail brand for home use. IME all MW products are extremely finicky about temp/RH and wood surface finish. No one I know, who has used better materials, really likes MW?

Cheers!

-- If it wasn't for bad luck, I wouldn't have no luck at all, - Albert King - Born Under a Bad Sign released 1967

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#3 posted 03-29-2020 05:22 PM


If you insist on buying from BORG, try the Varathane WB Polyurethane for wood floors. Better surface hardness than either acrylic above, and reasonably priced too. New Varathane products from Rustoleum at BORG are next generation in WB wood finishes created after GF HP and MW polycrylic existed.

- CaptainKlutz

I’m not adverse to ordering and have done it a lot. However, I try to buy from local suppliers when I can. Your comment about WB Poly for floors is interesting and I would love to try it. However, it doesn’t seem to be available in quart sizes and I just don’t use enough to warrant buying gallons. I have used the WB Varathane “Ultimate” and I like it. It sprays nicely straight from the can with a 1.3mm spray tip. However, I have no way to judge it’s durability compared to the floor finish.

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Rivercityjeff

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#4 posted 04-04-2020 01:18 AM

Well, I ran into a Woodcraft finishing instructor and posed the question to him: Polycyrlic or GF High Perf. for cabinetry?

He recommended MW Polycrylic to spray dyed cabinets. He said GF High Performance was a good product too.

Guess I’ll buy it from a Box store and continue to buy my dyes from Woodcraft. Both places give me good service but, the big Box stores give a Military Discount.

-- Micah 6:8 <><

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#5 posted 04-04-2020 06:25 AM



Well, I ran into a Woodcraft finishing instructor and posed the question to him: Polycyrlic or GF High Perf. for cabinetry?

He recommended MW Polycrylic to spray dyed cabinets. He said GF High Performance was a good product too.

Guess I ll buy it from a Box store and continue to buy my dyes from Woodcraft. Both places give me good service but, the big Box stores give a Military Discount.

- Rivercityjeff

IMHO – Your instructor has never used any decent commercial WB finishes!

Have two local suppliers with GF industrial Enduro coatings on closeout pricing, as none of the local cabinet shops will buy it. Too inconsistent and doesn’t store well as it adds pink tones near end of shelf life.

Both carry Gemini WB poly, and it blows MW and GF off the map. No comparison in durability or ease of application. Current Mohawk and Sherwin Williams WB coatings are in same league as GF WB poly; not bad/not great. Truth is no one really likes using them; but EPA regulations force use of WB coatings and they use the least objectionable one they can afford from local supplier.

The problem in WB coatings is patents.
There are some newer Gen 3 WB polyurethane coatings in market. Target Coatings sells some. Renner is #1 in European WB cabinet finish market with ‘Gen 3’ WB poly. But due Renner licensing issues of Slayerlack to Sherwin Williams; it hasn’t been available for sale in USA. At least not until recently when Renner opened a US division. The new Renner WB poly is amazing. Try it if you can find it.

I understand wood working is a hobby for most (including me), and most want to use retail grade finishes due to availability at ‘hobby’ shops. Cant’ argue with that plan on small stuff.
But if you want the best finishes for your large projects, need to step up and visit local industrial wood coatings supplier for recommendations. ML Campbell, Gemini, ChemCraft, and all the others make professional grade coatings that perform better than anything sold at BORG.

YMMV and Best Luck. :-)

-- If it wasn't for bad luck, I wouldn't have no luck at all, - Albert King - Born Under a Bad Sign released 1967

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