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Forum topic by OleGrump posted 03-25-2020 08:31 PM 1791 views 0 times favorited 26 replies Add to Favorites Watch
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OleGrump

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03-25-2020 08:31 PM

Was looking at some information on the internet yesterday, and ran across an “individual” who demonstrated how to build a somewhat basic workbench. It was a somewhat more involved than the Bernard Jones model, and fell somewhat short of a Nicholson bench. OK, I like to see various more traditional style workbench designs, as I find them interesting, and as we all know, each design has it’s own merits. It is up to the user to decide which style will work best for them.
So, this person walks through the steps building the legs, sides and top of the bench. Nothing more. He DID include a retractable bench stop in the left hand planing position, which was pretty nice. He was “generously” NOT going to SELL plans for this bench, as it existed by the end of the video. (Very charitable of there, Skippy, besides anyone with an interest, a brain and a pencil would have made notes during the build…….) HIS “idea” was to nobly show how the basic bench was built, then invite anyone who had built one, and added vises or other bench features/accessories to share photos or videos via a link. OK, that’s very much how the good folks here at LJ exchange information on ALL kinds of projects. We all share information from which we all learn. We play nice in the sandbox.
Then came the kicker: THIS guy was going to look at ALL the bench improvements, then HE would judge which ones HE thought were the best to incorporate. After which, HE would make plans of this bench with OTHER PEOPLE’S IDEAS available for sale to the public. So, HIS workbench “plan” is that HE gets FREE design information which he then SELLS on his website….??? (Insert all manner of words one wouldn’t take to church here as my response to this magnanimous gesture…..)

-- OleGrump


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#1 posted 03-25-2020 09:05 PM

Yeah I really don’t like him at all. I’m all for the “you can do it without the fancy expensive tools” thing, but the stuff he makes is just crap.

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#2 posted 03-25-2020 09:05 PM

Was his name “Ted” by any chance?

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#3 posted 03-25-2020 10:13 PM

sure sounds like ted’s mo

-- sawdust the bigger the pile the bigger my smile-larry,so cal.

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#4 posted 03-27-2020 12:30 PM

This guy’s name was “Rex”. For the most part, it was pretty standard on-line video instruction. He’d found several photos of these style of benches on line, and decided to build his own, and show others how to do it. He used mostly hand tools, with an occasional “cheat” of power tools. (Hey, great, I do it ALL the time…. and I’m sure there are many others out there…….) My problem with this “individual” arose when he wanted viewers to send him THEIR ideas for vise installation and workbench accessories, then He was going to SELL plans with these improvements he got FREE. So the people who did the work are sending him the results for nothing, the HE profits from it….. WTF….??? Sorry, Dude. (Remember, what he built was really only a sturdy table at that point) To me, it should have been set up where if anyone had made this type bench with vises, benchdogs, etc, and sent him photos or video, there would have been a follow up video to show these improvements, naming the builder. That is the only fair thing to do.

-- OleGrump

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#5 posted 03-27-2020 12:32 PM

This guy’s name was “Rex”. For the most part, it was pretty standard on-line video instruction. He’d found several photos of these style of benches on line, and decided to build his own, and show others how to do it. He used mostly hand tools, with an occasional “cheat” of power tools. (Hey, great, I do it ALL the time…. and I’m sure there are many others out there…….) My problem with this “individual” arose when he wanted viewers to send him THEIR ideas for vise installation and workbench accessories, then He was going to SELL plans with these improvements he got FREE. So the people who did the work are sending him the results for nothing, the HE profits from it….. WTF….??? Sorry, Dude. (Remember, what he built was really only a sturdy table at that point) To me, it should have been set up where if anyone had made this type bench with vises, benchdogs, etc, and sent him photos or video, there would have been a follow up video to show these improvements, naming the builder. That is the only fair thing to do. Here on LJ, we share information freely, not try to make a buck from someone else’s ideas and efforts.

-- OleGrump

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#6 posted 03-27-2020 01:46 PM

I don’t care for Rex or his videos

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#7 posted 03-27-2020 02:08 PM

You should offer to sell him your plans. If nothing else post some links for plans that others might sell to him on his video.

-- Nathan, TX -- Hire the lazy man. He may not do as much work but that's because he will find a better way.

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#8 posted 03-27-2020 04:29 PM

I had the exact same though when I watched that video a few weeks ago. That guy gets under my skin so much for so many reasons but at the same time I’ve watched probably 10 of his videos just because I….....well because I will watch almost anything related to hand tool work I guess.

-- “If not for Roubo, the back of the U.S. nickle would be blank.” -Roy U.

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#9 posted 03-27-2020 04:29 PM

My Workbench was easy 2 2×4’s a 3’x5’ piece of Baltic Birch and 2 Kreg work stations. I got the work stations using gift certificates for giving presentations at the local woodworking store. Until the stay at home order is over no more gift certificates.

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#10 posted 03-27-2020 05:52 PM

Even more fun might be to send him some nonsensical ideas. Built in sink or built in gas grill, make legs from shock absorbers, suspend it from the ceiling with cables…

-- Nathan, TX -- Hire the lazy man. He may not do as much work but that's because he will find a better way.

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#11 posted 03-27-2020 09:52 PM

Maybe even send him a photo of a bench that is working…right now

Just got done for the day…

-- A Planer? I'M the planer, this is what I use

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#12 posted 03-28-2020 11:16 PM

Lazyman, I LIKE your idea!!! Maybe I should find one of those go-to-hell-over-engineered-nine-thousand-part benches that we see on “The Tube” and send it to him. Love the sink and the grill idea. First rule of health nowadays is “Wash your hands frequently”. A sink in the workbench would be a very health conscious decision! And, hey, if ya gotta grill right in your bench, you don’t hafta go back in the house for lunch……

-- OleGrump

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#13 posted 03-28-2020 11:44 PM

GRUMP – “A sink in the workbench would be a very health conscious decision!”

Also serves as a built-in honing wet station. Makes my day.

-- ajh

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#14 posted 03-29-2020 12:02 AM



Even more fun might be to send him some nonsensical ideas. Built in sink or built in gas grill, make legs from shock absorbers, suspend it from the ceiling with cables…

- Lazyman

How about covering the top with green felt, drilling 6 holes in corners and sides, and putting bumpers all the way around?

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#15 posted 03-29-2020 05:32 PM

I won’t pick on Rex specifically. His videos aren’t my cup of tea, but different strokes for different folks and all that.

Looking at the bigger picture, he’s just one of a multitude of people (usually younger) who go into a hobby thinking, “How can I monetize this?” There are videos, online courses, and even entire conventions dedicated to monetizing an online presence. IMO, you can tell who focuses on the process rather than the content, and Rex is one of them.

I’m not worried about his soliciting ideas and then selling them as his own. There’s very little that’s new in woodworking. But his revenue model is not self-sustaining and he will work very hard for very little. I doubt you’ll see many more “send me your ideas and I’ll sell them” projects.

-- Reasoning will never make a Man correct an ill Opinion, which by Reasoning he never acquired. --Jonathan Swift (1721)

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