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Forum topic by OLCHIEF posted 03-16-2020 01:41 AM 2951 views 0 times favorited 50 replies Add to Favorites Watch
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OLCHIEF

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03-16-2020 01:41 AM

I have narrowed it down to thes two, Powermaatic 2800b and Nova floor standing dvr. Which way to jump?

-- OL CHIEF, Florida Panhandle


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Redoak49

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#1 posted 03-16-2020 11:18 AM

Both good drill presses. I have the Nova for a couple of years and have zero issues. I absolutely love it. It runs smooth at all speeds, extremely low run out, quiet and a joy to use. I did put a keyless Chuck on it.

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LittleBlackDuck

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#2 posted 03-16-2020 12:17 PM

Cannot comment about the Powermatic 2800b, however, like Reddie above, I’m in the pink with my Nova.

I bought mine when it was first released and it did have a few teething issues, but with it’s firmware upgrade function, it was quickly given a new set of dentures and it chomps away in my workshop amongst all my smiles.

The only thing I do hate about it, and all my drill presses were guilty, the rewind handle was never the right size if you put a traditional shop made tabletop on it… however, that was eased by amputation of the tabletops top right corner.

I did write a #1 review followed by a #2 review.. Unfortunately I was too bloody lazy to do a followup followup and the volume issue is still an issue, but if that’s my major pain-in-the-arse, hell I cant even hear some of my farts and have to rely on the smell to realise I dropped one.

I also put a keyless chuck on it which would have been a futile exercise before the spindle lock firmware upgrade…

Still waiting for the beer pull upgrade for the quill control handle.

-- If your first cut is too short... Take the second cut from the longer end... LBD

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tvrgeek

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#3 posted 03-16-2020 12:59 PM

Darn hard decision.

Wish the Nova table tilted a full 90 for clamping long boards on end, but one can jig that off the side.
Powermatic is a beast and it does tilt. I like electronics, but not sure I would use most of the Nova features. More efficient and no belts to vibrate or wear. Reeves drive is not as efficient as brushless DC.
In a quandary myself, Rikon or Laguna band saw. On my way to Woodcraft so I had better make up my mind.

I did not have the bucks, so I went for an old Delta until I can justify either of the two.

I figured a good chuck ( or couple) is expected for any drill. I got a medium capacity keyless but may get a smaller one that can go real small, and may get a bigger key one for slinging circle cutters or big Forstner bits.

I do a lot of tapping, so I know how to rig a counter-weight on a traditional drill. Not sure how to do that one the Nova.

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LittleBlackDuck

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#4 posted 03-16-2020 02:02 PM



... may get a smaller one that can go real small…
- tvrgeek

Pity these little buggers are no longer available.

.... I know how to rig a counter-weight on a traditional drill. Not sure how to do that one the Nova.
- tvrgeek

If you ever get inspired, I’d love to know…

-- If your first cut is too short... Take the second cut from the longer end... LBD

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tvrgeek

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#5 posted 03-16-2020 02:55 PM

As my Delta is an MT-2, I can get a chuck that goes almost to zero. If you check the machine shop suppliers like Rex, tiny drills with 1/4 inch shanks are available. Expensive, but available. Drilling a jet or similar should be done on in a miniature machine or a mill anyway.

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them700project

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#6 posted 03-16-2020 03:25 PM

I have the 2800 and like it a lot. I was between the 2 a few years ago and a good deal on the PM leaned me that way. I think both have little runout and good features. My thought on moving towards the PM was that spending an extra $400(difference with the deal I got) the features on the Nova are not absolutely necessary and wouldnt save me any time or money in the long run. but may cost me if parts go bad.

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splintergroup

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#7 posted 03-16-2020 03:38 PM

I can’t quite wrap my head around a drill press needing a firmware update but I’m following along to read all the juicy details of your choice!

When my bench vice needs a firmware update, I’m outta here 8^)

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therealSteveN

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#8 posted 03-16-2020 04:25 PM

PM is a lot like a Griz with ugly paint. That Nova is something. I woudn’t have to think about it. Plus isn’t the Nova less $$$$$ ?

-- Think safe, be safe

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tvrgeek

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#9 posted 03-16-2020 09:11 PM

PM is probably made in the same plant, but not like a Grizzly at all. Just look at the weight.
The other issue is even though the same plant makes the cheapest junk, they also make top end. They make what they are paid to make. It is not what the raw casting looks like, but the matching quality. Bearing quality, motor quality. Is it a $12 chuck or a $100 chuck? How much play is in the spindle at full stoke. Go check and you will see the difference. The PM has a Reeves drive, the Grizzlies are all v-belt change manually. Now if you go up to the $4500 gear head, sweet tool.
Palmgren 16 inch is a nice one. Old school belts but at least a digital display. Baileigh DP-15VSF is pretty sweet, but even more expensive. ( Probably the same as the PM actually) A lot don’t have long enough spindle travel and small “metal” type tables.

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AndyJ1s

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#10 posted 03-16-2020 11:08 PM

Here are some differences I noticed…

Both have the same stroke depth (6 inch), but PM travels the entire stroke with one handle revolution. The Voyager takes two handle revolutions for the full stroke. This may make the PM more convenient, but it has ~half the leverage of the Voyager when drill pressure is needed.

PM has laser drill guides; Voyager does not.

PM has replaceable square insert at center of table; Voyager does not.

PM speed range is 250-3000 (unregulated vs load); Voyager speed range is 50-5500 (regulated vs load).

Both have digital speed readout; Voyager also has drill pressure readout.

Powermatic motor is 1HP, Voyager is 1.75 HP at 120V, 2HP at 240V (requires plug change on power cord).

Powermatic does not have a digital drill depth display; Voyager does. Both have mechanical depth indicators/stops. Voyager also can automatically stop the drill rotation when preset depth is reached.

Of course, the Voyager electronics provides many other useful features (too many to list here) that the PM does not have.

Quality Reeves variable speed drives can last a long time, and can be rebuilt for even longer. If you like vintage machinery more likely to be maintainable, with some effort, in 50+ years, get the PM.

I chose the Voyager, and am very happy with it.

-- Andy - Arlington TX

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Woodmaster1

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#11 posted 03-17-2020 02:39 AM

I have the Delta drill press and it works great it has a 6” travel. My woodworking club shop bought a powermatic and had problems with the variable speed drive and the repair person from powermatic had to make more than one trip to fix it. I would buy the Nova if you afford it. Lots of features to use.

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OLCHIEF

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#12 posted 03-18-2020 02:32 PM

OK, so I have decided on the Nova Voyager, now to find one, apparently they are backordered everywhere and won’t be available until April. It will be Christmas in April!

-- OL CHIEF, Florida Panhandle

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tvrgeek

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#13 posted 03-18-2020 02:57 PM

I hear ya. You take your time to make a good decision and now want instant gratification. Aren’t we all a funny animal? At least my dogs who want instant gratification spend no time planning it. Which of us is really smarter?

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zzzzdoc

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#14 posted 03-22-2020 02:01 AM



Both good drill presses. I have the Nova for a couple of years and have zero issues. I absolutely love it. It runs smooth at all speeds, extremely low run out, quiet and a joy to use. I did put a keyless Chuck on it.

- Redoak49


Which keyless chuck did you use? I love the Nova, but do really want a keyless chuck.

-- Before you criticize someone, you should walk a mile in their shoes. That way, when you criticize them, you're a mile away and you have their shoes.

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LittleBlackDuck

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#15 posted 03-22-2020 04:17 AM



Which keyless chuck did you use? I love the Nova, but do really want a keyless chuck.
- zzzzdoc

OUCH! keyless was a dirty word till they did a firmware upgrade to the spindle lock… before that it was bugger all useless trying to tighten up the chuck one handed.

Now that it is there… go the best you can afford if runout is one of your concerns… it is the quality of the chuck that adds to the runout stats… runout on the quill shaft is virtually non existant… (at least on mine and you cant have it).

-- If your first cut is too short... Take the second cut from the longer end... LBD

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