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pontic

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02-20-2020 06:49 PM

I’m an after person for sure. What I mean I come to this site and ask for ideas after I get stuck or make a few mistakes and want to know how to work m,y way out of them. I hear from the same wise kind posters who share their knowledge and experience without judgment or hype. Still I keep thinking? Maybe I should strive to be a before person. Ask the questions before I start actually draw up some plans and maybe a cut list like I was taught. Even get the new version of sketchup and pre design my stuff before it goes on to the graph and layout paper. Most likely would save a lot of layout paper. Projects would go smoother and maybe faster and with less waste.
Alwayse thought it would stifle my creativity but more like Ego I now think.

-- Illigitimii non carburundum sum


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Walker

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#1 posted 02-20-2020 07:09 PM

I like using sketch up to sort of virtually “build” my project. I’ll have a concept in my head, but drawing it all in sketch up is sort of like building it without wasting any wood. It really helps me get a better understanding of how everything will fit together, and I can visualize any potential problems. I try to make a cut list as I go, as I add each piece to the model, it also gets drawn on the cut list. Plus if I’m vigilant about making the dimensions accurate, I can come back to it later and use the tape measure tool to grab quick numbers if needed.

After that, I still end up drawing a lot of it on paper and pencil as I’m doing the actual work. Quicker to make changes and do the needed math that way, as I’m not that proficient with sketch up.

-- ~Walker

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controlfreak

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#2 posted 02-20-2020 07:15 PM

I downloaded sketchup intending to use it but I keep reverting to pencil and graph paper.

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ChefHDAN

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#3 posted 02-20-2020 07:21 PM

I’m with Walker, learning how to use SU has saved me many times. I do my best with SU and if I know what I want to make it do it has been pretty easy to find tutorials to get the learning needed to do whatever. I can’t say that I’ve had many (any) projects that finished up matching the drawn dimensions, but the work to do a virtual build has helped me make fewer mistakes. I find SU really helpful when I’m cutting plywood, real easy to draw out a 48×96 rectangle and put all my shapes on it so that I don’t get a bunch of wrong sized cutoffs.

Now… if only there was a SU for finishing the project….

-- I've decided 1 mistake is really 2 opportunities to learn.. learn how to fix it... and learn how to not repeat it

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Andre

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#4 posted 02-20-2020 07:38 PM

LOL! Take all the fun out of shop time? Why? Maybe a quick sketch, some rough dimensions then take your time and enjoy the creative process. Shop time is fun time, no rush, if you want production get a job:)

-- Lifting one end of the plank.

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therealSteveN

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#5 posted 02-20-2020 07:58 PM

Still trying to figure out why so many guys want Ketchup in the shop. Just leave it in the Kitchen.

Paper and pencil here.

-- Think safe, be safe

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Rich

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#6 posted 02-20-2020 08:23 PM

I’m waiting for a paper and pencil app that can generate cutlists for me. It would be nice if it had an X-Ray mode where I can see inside a joint to detect problems before I start cutting into expensive hardwood. Until then I’ll stick with SketchUp.

-- Half of what we read or hear about finishing is right. We just don’t know which half! — Bob Flexner

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therealSteveN

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#7 posted 02-20-2020 08:28 PM

So you aren’t able to do it in your head then? After which you write the pertinent things on paper..

Just have to wonder what all those guys did for centuries before apps, huh.

-- Think safe, be safe

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LeeRoyMan

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#8 posted 02-20-2020 08:45 PM

When you are fluent with SU, there is no reason to do it in your head.
I’ve been building cabinets, bookcases, built in’s, kitchens, etc., etc. for over 40 years.
I designed and built hundreds of units in my head and on paper. Now that I know sketch up,
no reason in the world I would ever waste my time with paper and pencil.
There are so many advantages to drawing the project one time and being able to do so much with it.
From seeing it to scale, to adding woodgrains and/or color to see how it would look in different stains.
Way too many advantages to list.
Once it’s drawn the measurements for everything are right there and you know if you build it to the measurements it all fits together. (short example below)

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pottz

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#9 posted 02-20-2020 08:54 PM

damn leeroy you tryin to kill the fun-lol.im afraid im more like pontic and andre,just a rough sketch with the basic measurements and im working.and as far as doing mock ups,forget it,why would i build two if i need one.i have no patience for sketch up,maybe someday?

-- sawdust the bigger the pile the bigger my smile-larry,so cal.

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Rich

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#10 posted 02-20-2020 09:07 PM

Don’t get me wrong, I appreciate the value of a good freehand sketch when you’re brainstorming an idea. I’m blown away by the elevation illustrations that architects create for example. However, when it comes time to build, they use blueprints, not what’s in someone’s head.

My mother was a professional artist who drew fashion ads for the newspapers back in the ‘40s and ‘50s—before photos became common. Sadly, I inherited none of that freehand talent, so CAD of some form has always been my choice.

-- Half of what we read or hear about finishing is right. We just don’t know which half! — Bob Flexner

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controlfreak

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#11 posted 02-20-2020 09:12 PM

That desk is beautiful. I must admit it looks like one of those projects where when you go to deliver it, it won’t fit through the door.

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PeteStaehling

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#12 posted 02-20-2020 11:04 PM



Don t get me wrong, I appreciate the value of a good freehand sketch when you re brainstorming an idea. I m blown away by the elevation illustrations that architects create for example. However, when it comes time to build, they use blueprints, not what s in someone s head.

I really appreciate a beautiful sketch as an illustration of a concept. I remember years ago when my daughter asked me do do some cad work, working up an illustration for her. I was making my living doing cad work at the time. I asked her what she needed and she drew the most beautiful sketch. I told her I’d be happy to make engineering drawings but if she wanted an impressive illustration my cad drawings weren’t going to hold a candle to her beautiful pencil sketch.

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LeeRoyMan

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#13 posted 02-20-2020 11:53 PM

Sorry for the hijack pontic.

Pete, I’m glad you bring that up, while nothing as beautiful as a daughters hand drawn sketch, this is another beauty of Sketch Up.
Presentation, You have many choices.
Once you have the drawing done you can change how you want to present it. Here are just a few different style sets and there are many many more different styles you can choose from.
From this,


To this,

To this,

To this,

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Rich

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#14 posted 02-21-2020 12:10 AM


Sorry for the hijack pontic.

Pete, I m glad you bring that up, while nothing as beautiful as a daughters hand drawn sketch, this is another beauty of Sketch Up.
Presentation, You have many choices.

- LeeRoyMan

Add rendering with something like V-Ray and you’ll get a near photographic quality image.

-- Half of what we read or hear about finishing is right. We just don’t know which half! — Bob Flexner

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