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controlfreak

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02-13-2020 09:06 PM

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I have two options here since the tote is pretty worn around the break line and he parts don’t mate anymore. I suspect a previous repair failed as well.

Option 1) I have found a rosewood handle and tote https://www.amazon.com/Crown-Genuine-Rosewood-Stanley-Plane/dp/B008CRAE7W/ref=cmcrarpdproduct_top?ie=UTF8 It is $45 but would do the job even if a bit expensive.

Option 2) I have found a tote template on Lee Valley to make one which sounds like a fun project however when I search for rosewood blanks I can only get turning blanks. I am going to need to find something 4 1/2” x 4 3/4” x 1” to get the job done.

Does anyone know where I can get rosewood? As much fun as it would be to make if the wood is going to get close with shipping should I even bother. This will be a user so I am just looking to make it nice for me and whomever has it after me.


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#1 posted 02-13-2020 09:26 PM

See my reply here for repairing the tote. Should only cost you the cost of a small piece of rosewood and some glue.
https://www.lumberjocks.com/replies/5146161

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#2 posted 02-13-2020 09:30 PM

You don’t HAVE to use Rosewood. Honestly, by the time most vintage planes get to me, the Rosewood doesn’t even look like Rosewood. Especially if the plane’s been a user. I usually grab a piece of Walnut or whatever dark wood I have to make replacement knobs and totes.

If you want to use Rosewood though, you can get it from various online sources. West Penn Hardwoods and Bell Forest are two that I’ve used. Ebay usually has the best bargains if you don’t mind taking the time to sort through all the listings.

-- Kenny, SW VA, Go Hokies!!!

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#3 posted 02-13-2020 10:06 PM

You should be able to find one on ebay for cheaper than that.

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#4 posted 02-13-2020 11:36 PM

How ‘bout an original from an old Stanley of the same period? In restoring Stanley planes, I often need to replace the tote or knob. You have to be careful to match the period or “type” as the shape and height changed over the years. I buy junk non-restorable planes to cannibalize the parts. If you know the “type” I can see if I have a match…
Regards, The Kentucky Toolsmith!

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#5 posted 02-14-2020 10:43 AM

https://www.timetestedtools.net/2016/01/27/making-a-bench-plane-tote/

I agree with Kenny. Even if you get some rosewood it will not be the same kind and will not match any how.

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#6 posted 02-14-2020 11:35 AM

+1 Buying old rusty planes of same type for parts can be cheap solution.
But what do you do with all extra parts? Buy more planes to fix up and use. It’s a viscous circle if not careful.

+1 Can used any hardwood.
Even white woods such as beech/maple like Stanley did in later years of production.

Have used chechen and Morado/Pau Ferro for making replacement totes. They are not true rosewood, but after few coats of lacquer or shellac it looks like rosewood. They are easier to find. Luckily have local place, Wood Worker's Source that carries both. They have online store.

Making custom tote is almost addicting? It’s as easy to make one as 3-4 with Lee Valley templates. Nice part about making your own tote is you can adjust the size. My meat hooks are large compared to average, and make my #3-4 replacements 1/4” longer in middle.
Have also learned I prefer a thicker (1”) .vs. narrow (3/4”) tote. See a lot of skinny totes on economy version Stanley Handyman planes, and can always tell when someone has used a eco-plane tote as replacement. If you want thicker tote width, need to find rough sawn lumber. Most of the S2S stuff can be too thin @ 13/16-3/4”. Have resorted to buying 5/4 stock, or fat rough sawn 4/4 boards to ensure I have enough width for 1” thick tote.

Another tip for finding rosewood lumber, look for Sisso. Sisso is true rosewood, and is sold as ornamental tree in warmest US states (AZ, CA, FL). Here in AZ, many folks consider it a pest tree, with tons of litter and evasive roots. Local urban sawyers always have slabs/chunks on hand. The white sapwood is ~50% of tree and it looks ‘inconsistent’ in slabs taken from urban trees. Does not look least bit ‘exotic’ or expensive in slab forum?

The amount to preferred dark heart wood is small enough, it sells cheap compared to imported rosewood; like $6-8/bdft

Best Luck!

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#7 posted 02-14-2020 02:18 PM



See my reply here for repairing the tote. Should only cost you the cost of a small piece of rosewood and some glue.
https://www.lumberjocks.com/replies/5146161

- shampeon


I haven’t thought about trying to piece it with a small insert of rosewood (or other). I just couldn’t get my head wrapped around how to hold the piece to make a straight cut until I saw your vise. I may try to make a jig for my crosscut sled and use the same cut for both pieces so they can match. Worst that can happen is I am back to needing a tote.

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controlfreak

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#8 posted 02-14-2020 02:28 PM


How bout an original from an old Stanley of the same period? In restoring Stanley planes, I often need to replace the tote or knob. You have to be careful to match the period or “type” as the shape and height changed over the years. I buy junk non-restorable planes to cannibalize the parts. If you know the “type” I can see if I have a match…
Regards, The Kentucky Toolsmith!

- KYtoolsmith


Thanks, I did some research when I first started cleaning it up but have forgotten most of it. I will see how closely it matches up the the plans I downloaded from Lee Valley and get back to you on that.

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#9 posted 02-15-2020 11:57 AM

I know a gentleman who collects/restores mostly Stanley planes for ~60yr Last I checked he was in his mid-80s). The best recommendation I got from him was using ZAR Rosewood Stain for a uniform appearance.

The can can/will last you a lifetime of planes… ;-) You can even use it ON Rosewood totes/knobs in order to match each other. Just a thought. Much cheaper to stain another wood tote, than to pay the big buck$ JUST FOR THE WOOD. By the way $45.00 is cheap IMO. That is why I only make totes and knobs for myself/my-collection of SARGENT Planes.

BTW, if you are buying a used tote on eBay/Amazon, make sure that the brass nut and rod fit from one tote to another. These things are 50-100yr old and the chances are very good that they have been altered/repaired at some time or another. That means the brass nut may be larger or smaller than the one you have on your current Stanley plane. Hate to be the bearer of bad news, but make sure you pay attention to the smallest of details, all is important… 8-(

- – - – - – - – - – -
ON THE OTHER HAND:
Kenny and Don are correct. My East India Rosewood totes don’t look or act like my Honduran Rosewood totes. My East India is much softer than the Honduran, though both are beautiful.

V…Honduran Rosewood…V

V…Honduran Rosewood…V

V…East Indian Rosewood…V

V…East Indian Rosewood…V

V…East Indian Rosewood…V

V…East Indian Rosewood…V

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#10 posted 02-15-2020 03:34 PM

Wow, you do some really nice work HMike! You should post your work over in the “Show your restorations-before and after” thread. We love that stuff :-)

-- Kenny, SW VA, Go Hokies!!!

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#11 posted 02-15-2020 03:50 PM



Wow, you do some really nice work HMike! You should post your work over in the “Show your restorations-before and after” thread. We love that stuff :-)
- HokieKen

OR, you could just buy our book HERE ...;-)

-- HorizontalMike -- "Woodpeckers understand..."

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#12 posted 02-15-2020 04:12 PM

Oh, you’re that Mike :-) Not a Sargent guy myself. Write one on Millers Falls and I’ll snag a copy ;-)

-- Kenny, SW VA, Go Hokies!!!

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#13 posted 02-16-2020 02:14 AM

Nice looking totes and knobs Mike. You beaded the knobs?

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#14 posted 02-16-2020 02:49 PM



Nice looking totes and knobs Mike. You beaded the knobs?
- corelz125

Yes I did. I have both beaded manually on the lathe as well as using a beading tool. Personally, I find it easier to cut the bead manually. The beading tool tends to want to cut the bead edges too deep, and then I always have to clean up/taper the neck a bit more. It just depends on how high/proud you want the bead to be.

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#15 posted 02-16-2020 09:24 PM



Oh, you’re that Mike :-) Not a Sargent guy myself. Write one on Millers Falls and I’ll snag a copy ;-)
- HokieKen

Ah, OK. Now I understand…

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