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Freedom

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01-27-2020 10:19 PM

I made the mistake of getting rid of my Craftsman bandsaw a few years ago and realize that was a mistake. I am shopping for a new one and am not sure what type to get. I would like to get into making bandsaw boxes. I also made the mistake of buying a Ryobi 9” bandsaw that worked but not for the boxes I would like to make, and so took it back. I don’t have a shop per se, I have a scrollsaw, miter saw, bench drill press, and a very scary table saw. I heard that the Central Machinery saws from Harbor Freight are a Delta knockoff? Any advice would be a great help.


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Lee

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#1 posted 01-28-2020 12:19 AM

Well, for $375 i think it will work for you ok, the only thing is it only has a 6in re saw height, might not be enough for some of your boxes you want to make. I’ll bet if you look you will be able to find a riser block that will fit, good luck, hope this helps.

-- Colombia Custom Woodworking

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#2 posted 01-28-2020 12:42 AM

I’d look to spend the $375 on a better used saw without a riser block to get more resaw height.

JMHO

-- Andy - Seattle USA

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therealSteveN

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#3 posted 01-28-2020 04:56 AM

I have one of the 14” HF BS’s, and it’s hardware is really poor, but to swap to really acceptable is just a few bucks. The green link belt that came with it was junk, and a new red Fenner drives belt was around 35 bux. So look to add maybe 50 bux to make it quite usable.

If you can find a Delta, Jet, PM, used, for less than that go for it. but the saw itself can work well if you can’t.

Whatever you buy, you will find a lot of it is going to be the blades you run on it, and how well you set it up. That old Delta design is made for curve cutting, and does it quite well. For resaw they pretty much suck, at least they aren’t robust. Not enough power, but mostly that design just flexes too much to be rigid enough to do resaw without a lot of tweaking.

If you can save enough for one of the steel framed saws with a square, or triangular frame, rather than a pancake frame, it will be more robust, and resaw becomes a piece of cake. When you read the threads about “I can’t resaw”, almost all of them are on 14” Delta/Delta clones.

-- Think safe, be safe

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#4 posted 01-28-2020 05:30 AM


but mostly that design just flexes too much to be rigid enough to do resaw without a lot of tweaking.

If you can save enough for one of the steel framed saws with a square, or triangular frame, rather than a pancake frame, it will be more robust, and resaw becomes a piece of cake. When you read the threads about “I can t resaw”, almost all of them are on 14” Delta/Delta clones.

- therealSteveN


+1 I bought a Laguna 1412 after a year of trying to get my HF Delta clone to behave. I did everything short of having Alex Snodgrass come to my house. Like the saying goes, you can’t get a clear picture from a fuzzy negative. It was like going from an old Chevy to a new Bentley.

-- Andy - Seattle USA

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#5 posted 02-08-2020 05:25 PM

Thanks for all the help. I did more research and happened to come across a Rikon 10”, 2 speed. I do mostly small stuff and am trying band saw boxes. I have cut a 2 1/2” piece of red oak with it and it did great. The other saw stopped in its tracks. I have good quality blades and have already changed from the 1/2” it came with to a 1/4” and will probably go to the 1/8” for my smaller stuff. The changing was pretty easy, for me at least, and I didn’t have any problems with tracking and setting up the guides. There are not many woodworkers that I know of in my area of New York so am pretty much learning through people like you, books and the internet. I am going to Virginia and saw there is a Woodcraft store in Roanoke, I can’t wait to check it out!! Thanks again.

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#6 posted 02-08-2020 07:03 PM

I heard that the Central Machinery saws from Harbor Freight are a Delta knockoff? Any advice would be a great help.
- Freedom

Basically, most (all?) 14” cast iron machines out there today are cheap imported knock-offs of the US made Delta. Many differences are obvious, such as in the blade guides and how they are adjusted; while others are not so obvious, such as cheaper components (ie: bearings), thinner sheet metal and more use of plastic. They can generally be made usable, but typically involve more frustration getting them that way.

If you are looking for a cast iron 14” machine, I’d keep an eye out for a nice used Delta. They are built to last and parts are still available for them if needed – plus you can typically get them much cheaper and with extra goodies than trying to buy something new. I’ve picked up two in the last few years for $85 a piece.

Cheers,
Brad

-- Brad in FL - In Dog I trust... everything else is questionable

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#7 posted 02-09-2020 01:23 PM

I have been researching the daylights out of band saws.
Just looked at the HF saw. To call it a POS would be to derate perfectly good fertilizer. I have an old Delta 10 inch that with enough effort, now actually works quite well for what it is. I think I spent $50 on it, added new tires, balanced the wheels, ceramic guides and “real” blade. ( Yea, the $20 blade does work better than the $8 blade) Still, I am fighting with myself on the 14 inch Rikon or Laguna. I think Rikon will win but I am talking a $1200 saw.

On the benchtop end, used Delta, used Craftsman, and don’t forget WEN. Small Rikon, Laguna, Grizzly, Jet, etc. You don’t always get what you pay for, but if you don’t pay for it, you won’t get it. The most expensive tool is one you have to buy twice. You have already learned that!

If you are doing bandsaw boxes, then I gather deep cuts in hardwood, so pay attention to the size of the motor. You may really be needing a much bigger saw, like the 12 inch class or if you have room, a stand based 14 inch’er. I am no expert other than having a 10 inch that is marginal and shopping for a bigger one. Maybe at least 3/4 HP. I am looking at the 1 1/2 HP range.

If you were in NC, I could make you a deal. :)

WEN makes cheap tools, but they seem to be of much higher quality than most. $270 for their 10 inch at Home Despot. Even the Rikon 205 is under $400 new.

I like the idea for watching for used older Delta, Powermatic, Craftsman etc. You should be able to get a good 12 or 14 incher used, but be prepared to put on new tires and some maintenance. Nothing beats big heavy cast iron! Other things I found make the difference is quality of the blade and how fiddly the guides are. Other than that, not much real differences across the quality tools.

Look at band length. Some are off the shelf but some are unique This may limit if you can buy quality bands for a fair price. It IS the band that does the cutting. My Delta is 72 1/2 which is pretty standard. The 111 on the Rikon 14 incher is more common than the 115 on the Laguna. Some older ones with riser blocks are really hard to find without custom welding. If older, be sure you can get new tires. Cool blocks or ceramic guides etc.

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