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01-22-2020 03:05 AM

I have this design (feel free to suggest a different one)
I must have the dust collector sitting on top of the bin (space saving solution)
Since it is there I want to use it as weight to push down the wood lid that sits on top of my bin
The base that the bin sits on will be on wheels.

The unused hose adapter to the right needs enough space above it for the hose (quite rigid PVC hose) to make a 90 turn to connect to a PVC pipe that sits in horizontal position slightly below the surface that supports the blower. The design is based on 4” pipes/hose/pvc fittings. See my other recent posts for the context

What i need is a smart way to slightly lift the white pieces with the blower on top of them so I can remove the bin and empty it and put it back. I would love to hear your suggestions


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#1 posted 01-22-2020 12:36 PM

Handcrank like you’d see on a boat trailer?
Or I’ve even seen them powered…

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#2 posted 01-22-2020 01:00 PM

Don’t raise the top part. Make the space for the garbage can a little bigger and use large shim shingles under the can to raise it tight to the top.

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#3 posted 01-22-2020 01:05 PM

After sleeping on it …this is the first thing I could come up with early in the morning

or this but this might not work as the whole thing will balance on the leveling scree
(this option is trying to solve the uneven moving problem presented by the first version, since I won’t be able to raise all the screws at the same time. Since I will probably need to raise the lid like 1/8-1/4” that might not even be an issue

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#4 posted 01-22-2020 01:06 PM


Don t raise the top part. Make the space for the garbage can a little bigger and use large shim shingles under the can to raise it tight to the top.

- 4wood


That could be a very practical and simple solution but I won’t benefit from the good weight that the blower offers
Shimming has one more issue…that means I can’t precisely control the position of the bin and that will affect the cyclone function since the intake and the exhaust won’t be positioned allways in the right place. I will have to make efforts to place the shims so that when pushed under the bin will come exactly in the right position

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#5 posted 01-22-2020 01:28 PM

First thought, on your outer 2×4s, put a lever that allows you to push down that lifts the whote tray. Like a DIY mobile cart has a foot lever to lower the wheels.

Actually, you could make it a foot lever that pushes up the lower white shelf which would leave your hands free to pull out the trash can.

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#6 posted 01-22-2020 01:33 PM

Simplest would be to drill a hole in one of the outer 2×4s just slightly above the bottom of the lower shelf. Lift shelf and shove a stick in the hole(could be a 1/2” dowel etc.)

Btw, on smart phone if you scroll the pictures up and down the hose looks like a slinky moving up and down.

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#7 posted 01-22-2020 02:31 PM


Simplest would be to drill a hole in one of the outer 2×4s just slightly above the bottom of the lower shelf. Lift shelf and shove a stick in the hole(could be a 1/2” dowel etc.)

Btw, on smart phone if you scroll the pictures up and down the hose looks like a slinky moving up and down.

- SMP


I thought about that one too but it seemed too manual …the stick will get in the way of the bin if it is too low. Reaching to the back side to do the same will be problematic (I am a tall guy, not that young anymore and I am avoiding that type of move -reaching back to the back side of the lid, lifting it and pushing the stick or the screw in, one day I might end up with a back injury …I am inclined toward my solution since I already have the leveling screws

Re: what you see on Smart Phone-sorry unintended effect :-)

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#8 posted 01-22-2020 02:37 PM

Maybe a cam lever on both sides, either independent or tied together with a rod so you can lift with on side or the other with an arm? It would go across your two bottom legs front to back and lift up on the assembly. Could get fancy and rig up a small 12volt power window motor with a switch.

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#9 posted 01-22-2020 02:38 PM

Leave it fixed as is. Put a piece of foam seal on the edge of the can and just slide it in place. You’re only going to have to empty a couple times a year at the most.

You’re overthinking this.

M

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#10 posted 01-22-2020 03:10 PM

I could probably lift from the bottom side (the lid), one side at a time, and stick something that goes all the way to the other end , just under the top surface that supports the blower (Exagerated example shown below)

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#11 posted 01-22-2020 03:16 PM

You may be overthinking it.I would put the can on the floor and have 2 rods come off the wall 6” above the lid so you can take off the lid and place it up on the rods. It would take up less room and save more materials.
Then just have a shelf that the blower is on

Im not trying to tell you not to be creative but it may just be easier.

You may also want to put a cyclone in the space between or you will be blowing a lot of dust through

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#12 posted 01-22-2020 03:19 PM

Make a board with a handle on it. On the board make a couple of cams.
Slide the board in between the space where you have the leg levelers, turn the handle 90 degrees and the cams will lift the unit. Empty the barrel, lower the unit, store the board on the side of the frame.

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#13 posted 01-22-2020 03:47 PM



You may be overthinking it.I would put the can on the floor and have 2 rods come off the wall 6” above the lid so you can take off the lid and place it up on the rods. It would take up less room and save more materials.
Then just have a shelf that the blower is on

Im not trying to tell you not to be creative but it may just be easier.

You may also want to put a cyclone in the space between or you will be blowing a lot of dust through

- them700project


I need to be able to reposition this, it will be on wheels

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#14 posted 01-22-2020 03:51 PM

A few thoughts. I assume that the trash can is going to be your separator? Since you obviously have the room between the can and vac, I would add a Thien baffle on top of it rather than injecting the air directly into the can using an elbow. Having the air flow injected inside the can means that more of the fine dust will be continually be stirred up and make it into the filters, especially as the can starts getting full. With the baffle above the can, there is less turbulence inside the can and less cleaning and replacing your filters and also gives you more room in the can before you have to empty it. Another advantage is that the air is injected into the baffle horizontally which reduces the number of right angles that the air has to make passing through it and you should lose less airflow. Of course you could instead or later add a Dust Deputy instead of the baffle.

Don t raise the top part. Make the space for the garbage can a little bigger and use large shim shingles under the can to raise it tight to the top.

- 4wood

That could be a very practical and simple solution but I won t benefit from the good weight that the blower offers
Shimming has one more issue…that means I can t precisely control the position of the bin and that will affect the cyclone function since the intake and the exhaust won t be positioned allways in the right place.
I will have to make efforts to place the shims so that when pushed under the bin will come exactly in the right position

- MiniMe

Adding the baffle eliminates this problem because the can just becomes the bin rather than the cyclone. Also note that because the bin is before the vac, the system is under suction and the weight of the motor on the top is not really needed because the suction will tend to pull the seals tighter. Personally, I would change the design so that the motor/vac is stationary and either just have the baffle or can lid move slightly or have a simple way to raise the can up to contact the bottom of the baffle/top. It only needs to raise or lower about 1/4” to slide the can out.

-- Nathan, TX -- Hire the lazy man. He may not do as much work but that's because he will find a better way.

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#15 posted 01-22-2020 04:02 PM


You may be overthinking it.I would put the can on the floor and have 2 rods come off the wall 6” above the lid so you can take off the lid and place it up on the rods. It would take up less room and save more materials.
Then just have a shelf that the blower is on

Im not trying to tell you not to be creative but it may just be easier.

You may also want to put a cyclone in the space between or you will be blowing a lot of dust through

- them700project

I need to be able to reposition this, it will be on wheels

- MiniMe


I don’t understand why the top has to be pushed down onto the can, won’t the vacuum pull the lid tight? I can’t lift the flimsy plastic lid off of my 55 gallon barrel when it is on. Wouldn’t something like this hold it down really well?

https://www.amazon.com/Eliseo-Adjustable-Holding-Capacity-Release/dp/B07DQ93FYT/ref=sr_1_4?keywords=clasps&qid=1579708836&s=power-hand-tools&sr=1-4

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