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MiniMe

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01-21-2020 02:57 PM

I do not work a lot, it will be just projects around the house, weekend warrior if you want
I am almost finished with my chip separator and I am now learning that it would be good to have a dust filter and I want to understand what it takes to install one on this little guy.
https://www.busybeetools.com/products/craftex-mini-portable-dust-collector-3-4hp.html
Their specs from the BusyBee site
Motor: 3/4 hp, 50 Hz, 1PH, AC universal
Fan diameter: 152 mm (6 inch)
Inlet/outlet: 100 mm (4 inch) ◄ outlet 4” is B$ it is 3” (fits inside of a 4” splice connector!!!)
Air flow: 590 CFM

I currently have the bag in the picture and I do not do lots of sanding or routing.
I will vent outside as much as I can especially when the temperature is above 0C . I have a small one car garage turned into a kind of shop (man’s cave)


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Madmark2

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#1 posted 01-21-2020 03:18 PM

Order a 1 or .5 micron bag to replace the bag on you little DC. Try Grizzly. Pennstateind.com used to have bags, but no more.

Craftex doesn’t list bag filtration size so assume its burlap (50 micron or worse, if it were good [under 5 microns] you can be sure they’d advertise it)

M

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Lazyman

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#2 posted 01-21-2020 03:20 PM

If you are going to vent outside, you probably don’t need a filter at all. The separator will capture high 90-something percent of the chips and dust so only the finest dust will make it past there. You will get much better airflow if you can leave the filter out completely. And on the rare occasion that it is too cold and you want to use a filter, just attach that bag to the end of the hose that would normally vent outside. It is not ideal but probably okay for occasional use.

-- Nathan, TX -- Hire the lazy man. He may not do as much work but that's because he will find a better way.

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WhyMe

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#3 posted 01-21-2020 03:22 PM

So that I understand you want to replace the bag/filter with a different type of filter such as the Wynn filter?

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#4 posted 01-21-2020 04:47 PM

If I recall, you have that mounted on the wall (?). If true, I think I would sit the filter on the floor (or anywhere it’s convenient, even on a shelf) and pipe the dc into one end. Close the other end off with a blank, and use a short piece of flex or whatever is handy to connect the DC to the filter.

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#5 posted 01-21-2020 05:22 PM



So that I understand you want to replace the bag/filter with a different type of filter such as the Wynn filter?

- WhyMe


yes ..not sure if I want to do that, I will bring this damn thing up today and see how bad it is with the bag and then add a filter if possible/needed

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MiniMe

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#6 posted 01-21-2020 06:08 PM



If I recall, you have that mounted on the wall (?). If true, I think I would sit the filter on the floor (or anywhere it s convenient, even on a shelf) and pipe the dc into one end. Close the other end off with a blank, and use a short piece of flex or whatever is handy to connect the DC to the filter.

- Fred Hargis


That is the question….what do I buy and from where?
I am planning for something like the

but I am not planning to drill into the wall (cinder block, attached garage) and rather build a mobile support for everything, like below. I have to option to run a hose from the output of the blower to a place where I have either the bag or the filter. I could attach the bag right there horizontally (and extend the board that supports the blower or run a hose to a vent in the door . Things are not to scale and the door will still open, I can push everything to the right if needed

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#7 posted 01-21-2020 06:27 PM

This isn’t exactly cheap https://www.busybeetools.com/products/canister-filter-for-cx416-portable-dust.html. Looks like it could be made to work though.

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Fred Hargis

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#8 posted 01-21-2020 07:21 PM

Well, if you want to just buy something and plug it together you may be in for another long search…it just doesn’t work that way. I’d start with a 4” flex to connect the 2 (filter and DC) and see how it fits the DC (the filter is easier). You may have to use duct tape or some kind of HVAC connector to get the 2 together. For the filer, use what’s called a “starter collar” and put the finger end into a plywood blank that’s cut to cover the end of the filter. Connect the hose to the other end; you may have to crimp the fitting down a little for the hose to slide on.

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#9 posted 01-21-2020 08:42 PM


This isn t exactly cheap https://www.busybeetools.com/products/canister-filter-for-cx416-portable-dust.html. Looks like it could be made to work though.

- sansoo22


thank you -that is what I was looking for !!!
either with that filter or with a different one I guess the idea is to see if I can attach a 3” or 4” flange to the filter and then use it as below

Can you wash or clean some other way this type of filter or you need to buy a new one from time to time?

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Lazyman

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#10 posted 01-21-2020 09:11 PM

If you want something a little cheaper and more DIY, check out Shipwrights forum topic and blog about using Donaldson diesel air filters. If I recall correctly, they have similar specs as the Wynn filters but are considerably cheaper.

To my knowledge none of these pleated filters are washable and have to replaced when they get so clogged that they restrict suction.

-- Nathan, TX -- Hire the lazy man. He may not do as much work but that's because he will find a better way.

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#11 posted 01-21-2020 09:14 PM



If you want something a little cheaper and more DIY, check out Shipwrights forum topic and blog about using Donaldson diesel air filters. If I recall correctly, they have similar specs as the Wynn filters but are considerably cheaper.

To my knowledge none of these pleated filters are washable and have to replaced when they get so clogged that they restrict suction.

- Lazyman


I’ve had a wynn for about 8 years and all it takes is a good beating to dislodge most of the fines.

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MiniMe

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#12 posted 01-21-2020 09:31 PM


If you want something a little cheaper and more DIY, check out Shipwrights forum topic and blog about using Donaldson diesel air filters. If I recall correctly, they have similar specs as the Wynn filters but are considerably cheaper.

To my knowledge none of these pleated filters are washable and have to replaced when they get so clogged that they restrict suction.

- Lazyman


that is a huge filter for my blower :-) I guess it will last longer
I am not sure that I understand how that filter was built.
He seems to have inserted the Donaldson filter in some concrete post form like this

Great idea but what is the benefit? I thought the idea is to let the air get out easier, if you enclose your filter in that form it is going to be more difficult to exhaust the air
On another note…can you use these forms intead of the garbage bins for the dust separators ?

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sansoo22

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#13 posted 01-21-2020 09:35 PM

I’m assuming the crank handle on the one in the pic is to get the larger chips and fines off the inside of the pleats for regular maintenance. There should be a big paddle inside of it. It will eventually need replaced like most of them but id hope you got at least 5 yrs before you have to worry about that. Depending on how well your separator works you can also trim the bag on that filter down to about half. If the separator is doing its job you shouldnt get much in that bag at all.

Maintenance isnt too hard either. Take the filter off the wall and outside, put on a good mask, and tap the edge against a hard surface. You can also use a compressor. Try to do it on a windy and dont stand down wind.

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Lazyman

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#14 posted 01-21-2020 10:14 PM


that is a huge filter for my blower :-) I guess it will last longer
I am not sure that I understand how that filter was built.
He seems to have inserted the Donaldson filter in some concrete post form like this

Great idea but what is the benefit? I thought the idea is to let the air get out easier, if you enclose your filter in that form it is going to be more difficult to exhaust the air
On another note…can you use these forms intead of the garbage bins for the dust separators ?

- MiniMe

Look again. Those are just the outsides of the filters in his pictures. Air enters from the top goes out through the sides of filter. To empty the dust, you simply pull out the little pans at the bottom of the filter. I think you clean the filter by simply tapping the dust loose.

-- Nathan, TX -- Hire the lazy man. He may not do as much work but that's because he will find a better way.

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MiniMe

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#15 posted 01-21-2020 10:59 PM


Look again. Those are just the outsides of the filters in his pictures. Air enters from the top goes out through the sides of filter. To empty the dust, you simply pull out the little pans at the bottom of the filter. I think you clean the filter by simply tapping the dust loose.

- Lazyman


Are we both talking about the pictures seen here ?
https://www.lumberjocks.com/projects/64263

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