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Forum topic by ScottKaye posted 01-16-2020 01:52 PM 1068 views 0 times favorited 20 replies Add to Favorites Watch
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01-16-2020 01:52 PM

As the title suggests, I can pick up a pickle barrel for a few bucks and thought I could use it as a collection bin underneath a Oneida Air Systems Super Dust Deputy. It has molded handles on the side which would make moving a full container around much easier. The problem I can’t get past is that it has a screw-on lid which I can’t for the life of me figure out how to make work. The only way to empty the bin would be to remove both sets of hoses that attach to the Super Dust Deputy which is a nonstarter for me.. Perhaps there is a way to mount the Super Dust Deputy to the lid in such a way that it could be attached/unattached from the lid easily with spring clips or something? Maybe mount a piece of plywood to the underneath of the lid for rigidity and strength for the mounting clips?
Has anyone done anything like this before?

Thanks!!

Scott

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#1 posted 01-16-2020 02:25 PM

i have not done this, but maybe scrap the screw on lid, use plywood with a gasket and latches?

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#2 posted 01-16-2020 03:07 PM

I am using a 55gal plastic barrel under my cyclone. Works great. The one I have is white translusant, I can see the dust level through it . It had a non-removable top so I cut it off and made a plywood lid.
Back to the pickle barrel, How about putting a lazy susan bearing under the barrel to just spin the barrel under the stationary lidf?

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#3 posted 01-16-2020 03:15 PM

Hint, around here at least used plastic barrels are cheap on craigslist (around $20) blue are bulk food stuff (sugar, corn syrup, etc), white (cleaners, soap, disinfectant etc) screwtop have olives, sausage casing etc

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#4 posted 01-16-2020 03:51 PM

I use a large plastic garbage can on my separator, had to make some internal ribs on the inside to prevent the vacuum from collapsing it!

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#5 posted 01-16-2020 03:52 PM

Provided they are of rugged enough construction not to just squish like some thin walled containers have been shown to on some You Tube videos.

Go to the 3 10 mark, and observe.

You say.

“I can pick up a pickle barrel for a few bucks”

If it really is just a few $$$ then most of the possibles at Amazon will start at 30 to 50 bux. Use that as a guide. If it was 10 bux, you wouldn’t be out much to try it out.

I wouldn’t cut the screw on top off. I think it could be used to open the barrel to empty it. A lot of the lever clamp design barrels sold come with a crap clamp. I would put it on as tight as it could go then with a round of plywood, into which I would cobble a 6” stack that you could directly attach a length of 6” hose to like they show on that same video above right behind the crushed can failure. NOTE I use 6” because that is what I have, yours could be 4, 8, 12, 20? Whatever size you are trying to maintain as your large size till close to the tool itself.

Potential for buying stacks. Also available in plastics, and at BORGS with metal for furnace pipe. The ones at Onieda are sized to fit the size they claim, other places, maybe not so much.

A lot to be said about clear white, or translucent drums as above. Being able to clearly see your level of fill is a great thing. If you go black is ok. Onieda sells a kit for an electric eye indicator alarm, lights up a blinking light, external to the drum. Or many have cobbled together a lit of their own from YT videos.

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#6 posted 01-16-2020 04:55 PM


Provided they are of rugged enough construction not to just squish like some thin walled containers have been shown to on some You Tube videos.

- therealSteveN

Yeah, they look pretty rugged. and they weigh 17.5lbs a piece so I don’t think they would collapse

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#7 posted 01-16-2020 05:20 PM

IMHO – The only way to incorporate the screw on lid, is by changing where the cyclone bottom mounts.

Add an intermediate plywood plate for cyclone attachment, with a port on bottom; that connects to another port on the barrel with short hose. Use a quick release band clamp to hold the hose. Just like the clamps used on dust collector bag attachment, but smaller. Not mounting the cyclone to the barrel has several other advantages emptying the barrel too, if you have the vertical height.

Hate to suggest Amadud, but was only quick source of examples in 6/8 inch I could find online.

https://www.amazon.com/Quick-Release-Clamp-ID-6In/dp/B01LXTQF2R
https://www.amazon.com/Quick-Release-Clamp-ID-8In/dp/B01LY5FRWB

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#8 posted 01-16-2020 05:30 PM

My Cyclone dust collector is 5hp and doesn’t even flex the barrel.

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#9 posted 01-16-2020 05:35 PM

I use a similar style barrel for my ClearVue without issue. Mine is actually a horse feed container that is usually returned for a deposit and it gets re-filled. It is heavy enough that there is no risk of collapsing.

A big concern for a cyclone is that the barrel must be air-tight to function properly. You may want to ditch the screw on lid and make your own. I added a plywood ring to the top of my barrel. It is screwed in place and sealed with caulking. Another square of plywood clamps to the top ring with weather stripping to seal it.

-- Steve

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#10 posted 01-16-2020 05:41 PM

My thought in keeping the lid is purely access to empty it. Many of the clasps I have seen taped. glued, riveted on to allow a clamp down top, have been noted by their makers to be huge sources of air leaks. The screw on top is designed to keep whatever was in them, to stay there.

If you only cut the hole needed to allow for connection to the outlet of the cyclone, as I suggested, you can reinforce the top with a sandwich of plywood, and the stack outlet to your connecting tubing to attach between, or onto.

Those black containers appear to have a perfect round in the center, where said plywood could be cut to fit.

Provided they are of rugged enough construction not to just squish like some thin walled containers have been shown to on some You Tube videos.

- therealSteveN

Yeah, they look pretty rugged. and they weigh 17.5lbs a piece so I don t think they would collapse

- ScottKaye

Seeing the inner wall view it appears they maybe dual walled, or really thick. Probably will work.

I think a lot of, how tough is tough enough, is about the dust collector itself, and what kind of numbers it can develop. There is probably a DC unit that can crush these.

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#11 posted 01-16-2020 05:54 PM

I have a plastic barrel set up like this under my SDD. The only difference is that the lid is not screw on, but rather has a band clamp around the lip of the drum. Works great.

The fans used on a typical shop DC pull high flow, low vacuum so a heavy duty plastic barrel will not be a problem. A plastic Rubbermaid garbage can would not work though.

-- Earl "I'm a pessamist - generally that increases the chance that things will turn out better than expected"

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#12 posted 01-16-2020 10:17 PM

You might look at the Quick Clamp ductwork & accessories at Oneida. They have sleeves that extend (and rotate?), and a quick clamp makes a fast, easy disconnect. They also have machine and hose adapters.

I’m considering using QC to attach the flex hose from my DC to different machines, since I cannot find 5” spring clamps for flex hose/duct.

Andy

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#13 posted 01-16-2020 10:19 PM

I have a 55 gallon barrel with a lid that just sits on top, I can’t lift it at all when it is running. So I’m not sure how much physical connection is needed to make a seal that the vacuum creates so well.

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#14 posted 01-16-2020 11:14 PM

if this is a “real” pickle barrel, that actually held pickles,
you will never get the smell out of it.
I got some 5 gallon white buckets from a restaurant that held pickles
and the smell was terrible. (I really don’t like the smell of vinegar).
if you are just using pickle barrel as a generic name for the barrel,
I would ensure that it was pretty much odor free before purchasing any.

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#15 posted 01-17-2020 12:03 AM

I use 50 gallon fiber drums from food storage recycling centers. Mine originally stored sun dried tomatoes!

What really matters is the lid. Mine uses a metal ring clamp to secure the plastic lid. I wouldn’t want a threaded lid that needs to be unscrewed. It just needs to seal well and be easy to remove.

The other thing to consider is size of the drum. 35-55 gallons is pretty standard for DC units. Mine is 50 gallons, and I wouldn’t want to go any smaller.

Good luck!

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