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Forum topic by GreenYooper posted 01-15-2020 11:38 PM 1086 views 0 times favorited 17 replies Add to Favorites Watch
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GreenYooper

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01-15-2020 11:38 PM

Two years ago I bought Grizzle 0771Z that came with the, at the time, new T fence and extruded aluminum rail. You’ll see a lot of chat on that fence rail combo. Its OK but doesn’t slide the best.

While rolling the saw over to my new wood shove I flipped it. Firstly, the fence took the brunt and is toast. Secondly, the rails appear to be fine but I am triple checking with soon to be borrowed high end straight edge from a machine shop – score one for extruded aluminum. Thirdly, this occurred about 1/16th from my flip flop wearing big toe. So the loss was one fence and one pair of underwear.

Grizzly tells me that to replace the trashed fence it I need to order the WHOLE fence AND rail kit which is around $340.00 to my door (just getting the parts to repair the fence isn’t an option unfortunately…or fortunately.)

I need a fence. I don’t need a rail. So if I’m spending three fitty should:

1. I be looking at a better fence that will fit the existing rails? See #3.

2. Just get the replacement Grizzly fence/rail kit?

3. Am I daft or is it near impossible to get a good fence (without the rails included) that will fit my existing extruded aluminium rail. The search for that rail has caused me to come here for thoughts.

GO….!


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Madmark2

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#1 posted 01-15-2020 11:47 PM

Rails tend to be fence specific. Vendors sell with rails, not without. Mixing and matching parts/brands seldom has satisfactory results. When I bought my first Griz TS I already had a new Incra but I couldn’t order the saw without a fence.

For $400 you can get a top end Incra TS-LS with rails.

Redwing sells reinforced sneakers.

Walmart sells skivvies.

M

-- The hump with the stump and the pump!

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waho6o9

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#2 posted 01-15-2020 11:52 PM

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AndyJ1s

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#3 posted 01-16-2020 12:16 AM

Glad nothing but your feelings were hurt!

I’d strongly recommend a Unifence, but they are no longer made. They show up occasionally on various used equipment sources, at various prices, depending on whether the seller “knows what they have”.

I bought mine with my Unisaw in the early ‘90’s.

Andy

-- Andy - Arlington TX

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sansoo22

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#4 posted 01-16-2020 12:17 AM

The rails on that Grizz look to be non-standard. And by non-standard I mean not a Biesemeyer clone with the square tube rails or the round tube rails like PM or Vega.

Like Madmark says, and i think swears by, the Incra isn’t much more and a much better fence. In the same price range is the Vega and for a little less you could check out the Shop Fox Classic.

You’ve got options but just about everything is going to come with rails. If you had square tube rails already you could just get a fence and call it a day.

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rockusaf

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#5 posted 01-16-2020 01:58 AM


https://vsctools.com/diy-guide-rails/

Best of luck

- waho6o9

Sorry to hear but glad it was just the saw and not your foot too. I can second the VSC Tools fence, I’m almost finished the install on my old Craftsman 113 tablesaw with their fence and DIY rails. It was not as bad as I thought it was gonna be and it feels really solid. Not exactly cheap but it might be an option if you can get the angle and tubing cheap, or free like I did and you’re OK with the DIY route. I went with the 8020.net rail instead of the one from VSC tools, about 1/2 the price they charge and it’s straight enough for me.

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WoodenDreams

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#6 posted 01-16-2020 06:29 AM

Check with a welding shop. They can cut your fence off the rail clamp, and build a fence to weld back onto the rail clamp. You can have the welding shop fabricate it to the size and style you desire. I’ve used Knights Welding several times (a welding shop in our area) to fabricate both aluminum and steel, and was very pleased with results and their prices the charged on each job.

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LittleBlackDuck

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#7 posted 01-16-2020 07:00 AM



Check with a welding shop…
- WoodenDreams

That I think is very sound advice…
Just select carefully as some charge like wounded bulls for one-off fabrications… now if you break it again…

INCRA are great (I have their router positioner), however, I feel that on the TS, too much real estate is potentially wasted on the right hand side…

I have a Biesemeyer clone of which, a good quality one was relatively easy to source and is easily adapted to receive my loving JessEm Clear-Cut TS jig.

PS. How are those poor thongs (you call them flip-flops).

-- If your first cut is too short... Take the second cut from the longer end... LBD

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CaptainKlutz

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#8 posted 01-16-2020 10:06 AM

Sorry.
Welcome the family! It can happen to any Klutz
Maybe this will make you feel better?
I broke a Unifence head casting with 4’ drop on concrete floor once. Also have bought TWO new 8” Jointer guards to replace ones damaged due various ‘oops’.

+1 Consult with a welder. You will surprised what can be saved with welding. :)

Another low cost option is DIY fence for < $100:
http://www.twistedknotwoodshop.com/PDF%20Files/tsquarefence.pdf

Best Luck.

-- I'm an engineer not a woodworker, but I can randomly find useful tools and furniture inside a pile of lumber!

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Lazyman

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#9 posted 01-16-2020 01:59 PM

Can you buy some of the individual parts for the fence? Assuming that some of the parts are salvageable, perhaps you can just buy the ones that were ruined. And if not, perhaps the guys at the machine shop can make or even fix any parts that you can’t buy.

-- Nathan, TX -- Hire the lazy man. He may not do as much work but that's because he will find a better way.

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HokieKen

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#10 posted 01-16-2020 02:20 PM

Maybe post some pics of the fence and we may have some advice on how to repair it yourself or have it repaired :-) Like WoodenDreams said, if you can salvage the clamping piece that rides on the front rail, it probably wouldn’t be a big job to attach a different fence to it. If that’s not an option though, unfortunately $300-400 is probably the range you’ll need to prepare yourself for to replace it unless you want to build your own. I had a quick look at the fence on your saw and I’ve never seen rails like that on any other type of fence.

-- Kenny, SW VA, Go Hokies!!!

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GreenYooper

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#11 posted 01-16-2020 02:36 PM

Thanks for the comments. This is the stuff I was looking to think on.

As mentioned up top it does look like Griz’s design of the rail is pretty unique and I am accepting that no other fence is likely to fit – altough one of the Shop Fox sure looks like it would.

Which all and all is is too bad because the rail is a brilliant design. It took a heck of a shot and shrugged it off.

I did not get to do much fine work with that supplied T fence system so I think I’ll need to cruise the forums and see how guys are finding that system to shake out. What I recall to date was that with some tweaking it could be made to be more than serviceable but I’ve dinked around with enough nicer fences to recognize that the supplied T fence system was not at that level.

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HokieKen

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#12 posted 01-16-2020 02:43 PM

In that case GYooper, I would probably just ditch that fence and take this as a good opportunity to upgrade to one that performed better if it’s in the budget :-)

-- Kenny, SW VA, Go Hokies!!!

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WoodenDreams

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#13 posted 01-17-2020 12:06 AM

I have the Grizzly 0771Z myself. Before I posted the welding shop Idea, I looked at the fence the saw came with. It should not be much work to put on another fence to the rail clamp. If you take it to a welding shop, they should give you a free estimate.

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Jack Lewis

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#14 posted 01-17-2020 12:23 AM

After looking at Grizzly parts list, I see no reason for you to by parts you do not need. 358av2 is a part list of the assembly. Look at the manual and parts list on grizzly.com. Tell them where to place tyher BS advise.

-- "PLUMBER'S BUTT! Get over it, everybody has one"

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GreenYooper

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#15 posted 01-17-2020 04:00 PM

Jack,

My fence is a bit different than what is on that parts list which is why I called them. My bar and T are welded together whereas on the parts list they are two separate pieces. They do not sell the bar/T peace so you have to buy the whole dang system. For others out there I did not bother asking whether the parts blow out is out of date or whether my fence is out of date.

Ordered a Vega. I’m happy. Saw is happy. Wife is unaware.

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