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JCamp

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01-09-2020 10:53 PM

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I’ve got a list of things I would like to slowly build such as end tables, night stands, large tv stand and a book shelf. My thoughts are to build all the bottom sections from white pine and paint them white then make a nice thick hardwood top (probably 1-1/4 thick) stained a medium dark brown. So all that to ask this: what wood would b best used for the top? There isn’t a horrible difference in price. Also open to suggestions on other wood but I kind of like the grain in oak and it needs to b tough enough to not dent real easy

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#1 posted 01-09-2020 11:06 PM

In my area I use a lot of ash. Cheap, hard, and readily available. Depends on personal preference, cost, and finishing technique to me.

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#2 posted 01-09-2020 11:14 PM

Well BF pricing is something like White oak-$3.75, Ash-$3.00, Red oak-$2.75 for the 6/4 stuff. So price difference shouldn’t b to bad

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#3 posted 01-09-2020 11:38 PM

You posted a list in the title. Ash, white oak or red oak, all of which are woods with an open grain. Sometimes it looks fine for a top, but many folks fill the pores. You may want to finish some samples if those are the species easily found near you, just to see what they will look like.

Depending on the painted colors I am really partial to darker paints with white Maple tops. Lighter painted pieces with Cherry, or Walnut tops. All offer a nice contrast, and if you do a nice job on finishing the hardwood they can look spectacular.

The painted bottom, and hardwood top can give a great appearance. While you are looking at wood, check prices on Poplar, and Soft Maple, it depends where you are, but I can often get them cheaper than pine, and both paint really well. For case pieces plywood is great for price, plus it gives you a pass on allowing for wood movement. All you need to do is allow for edge pieces to hide the end grain.

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#4 posted 01-09-2020 11:59 PM

Ash has been used in my shop, for a while..

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#5 posted 01-10-2020 12:12 AM

I would also suggest looking into all hardwoods. The difference on an end table is going to be pennies.

Currently I buy FAS red oak cheaper than pine.

When you figure in waste factor is higher with pine, it’s a no brainer if hardwood is what you want.

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#6 posted 01-10-2020 12:52 AM

I like ash. It works well, can look beautiful if you select carefully, is more unusual than oak, and it’s in trouble because of the emerald ash borer so it may get harder to come by in the future.

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#7 posted 01-10-2020 12:52 AM

If you go with oak, better to use white oak. But, oak versus ash, I’d go with ash.

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#8 posted 01-10-2020 01:21 AM

When I have no preference, I go to the lumber yard and look at what they have and see if one of the “okay to use” species is in stock with some amazing grain or a fantastic price then it helps me decide.

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#9 posted 01-10-2020 02:06 AM

I much prefer white oak to ash or red oak, point being all are ok and will be similar to work. Depends on which one you like to look at, not us. You might price walnut since you said medium dark brown . I would still dye the walnut – I dont care for it’s natural look, but the right dye makes it very nice.

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#10 posted 01-10-2020 06:32 AM

If you want dark color on the top why not Walnut? i could never understand why people stain wood to match the color of a different wood?

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#11 posted 01-10-2020 11:24 AM

When you say “best”, any of the ones you listed will do well, so would quite a few others. But using pine and painting for the frame/bottom might not work out so well. Clear pine is very expensive, and the grain may well telegraph through the paint. Knotty pine adds dealing with the knots. Poplar, sometimes maple (either hard or soft) and perhaps a few others can be had for less (generally) and give you a much better result.

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#12 posted 01-10-2020 11:33 AM

+1 on using poplar for the the painted portion. It is very good for painting and will generally give you a nicer finish than pine. You might also consider hickory for the top, though as mentioned, if you are thinking about a dark stain, I would probably use walnut and also not paint the bottom white. To me a white base looks best with a natural colored or at least only lightly stained top. With a dark top, for contrast, I would use one of the other woods you mentioned (unpainted) for the base.

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#13 posted 01-10-2020 12:00 PM

Most folx can’t tell ash from white oak. Both have very open pores and a ‘loud’ grain. The suggestion to get some scraps and test finishes is a good one. Then, to insure success, don’t ask us, let your significant other decide. Your opinion mox nix. LOL

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#14 posted 01-10-2020 03:37 PM

Well if you want it medium brown anyways, don’t rule out walnut.

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#15 posted 01-10-2020 03:53 PM

Of those three I would choose quarter sawn white oak.

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