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12-15-2019 03:30 AM

Topic tags/keywords: jointer jointing

OK, I’m lazy, but what I want is to feed the wood in one end and have jointed wood come out the other. Maybe will take two or three passes. But no skill required. And no handwork. It just doesn’t seem that hard too me to have a tool that grabs the wood like a planer does and runs it over a jointer. What am I missing?

Big woodworking operations must have automated jointers. But has no one figured out to make a small shop version?


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#1 posted 12-15-2019 03:37 AM

I suppose you could use a feeder

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#2 posted 12-15-2019 03:37 AM

This is close but I can’t attest to the surface finish which based on what can be achieved with other track saws it’s probably pretty good.
https://www.thesawcentre.co.uk/power-tools-c97/circular-saws-systems-c154/mafell-automatic-panel-saw-with-pre-scoring-pss3100-se-p1518

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#3 posted 12-15-2019 04:14 AM

sure no problem,how much money are you willing to spend.you running a commercial operation and time is money? comon,enjoy the process,or are you doing it for a living? if your that lazy get a new hobby-geezz!!!!

-- sawdust the bigger the pile the bigger my smile-larry,so cal.

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#4 posted 12-15-2019 05:24 AM



This is close but I can t attest to the surface finish which based on what can be achieved with other track saws it s probably pretty good.
https://www.thesawcentre.co.uk/power-tools-c97/circular-saws-systems-c154/mafell-automatic-panel-saw-with-pre-scoring-pss3100-se-p1518

- bigblockyeti

How do you joint the face of a board with a track saw?

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#5 posted 12-15-2019 06:06 AM


OK, I’m lazy, but what I want is to feed the wood in one end and have jointed wood come out the other. Maybe will take two or three passes. But no skill required. And no handwork. It just doesn’t seem that hard too me to have a tool that grabs the wood like a planer does and runs it over a jointer. What am I missing?

Big woodworking operations must have automated jointers. But has no one figured out to make a small shop version?

- Sark


No one figured out how to make one priced for the Harbor Freight woodworker.

-- Alaskan's for Global warming!

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#6 posted 12-15-2019 09:37 AM

Matthias Wendel has made a home-made one:
https://woodgears.ca/machinery/power_feeder.html

I am hand planing, but if I understand correctly, on a jointer, one has to press the (planed) board firmly against the fence AND a bit down simultaneously.

Obviously you are not a fan of Paul Sellers

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#7 posted 12-15-2019 12:26 PM

The idea of using a jointer to flatten one side of the stock is to start it and immediately apply pressure on the outfeed table. That will allow the jointer to do what it was designed to do. Using a power feeder over the knives would do nothing more that cut the surface, not aid in removing twists that some woods have. ......... Jerry (in Tucson)

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#8 posted 12-15-2019 01:16 PM

Yes they make that kind of a thing.

It’s called a molder. Properly set up it will straighten out wood to a degree. Better molders have an adjustable infeed table and fence to ensure 4 side surfacing. However, if the stock is long enough the feed wheel pressure (hold down pressure) will straighten it out instead of jointing it, and it will spring back once it’s out the other end.

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#9 posted 12-15-2019 01:20 PM

It has been available for years, it’s called a stock feeder. Here’s an excerpt from the Powermatic manual for my feeder (which is mounted on my shaper). It then tricky to mount one to a jointer, but I’m sure it can be done.

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#10 posted 12-15-2019 01:20 PM

For who wants to see it… Here is a video of Bigblock’s link in action. I have never heard of one let alone seen one working. larry

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tn8npDkfKCo

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#11 posted 12-15-2019 02:11 PM


How do you joint the face of a board with a track saw?

- AlaskaGuy

It would be better suited for edge jointing in a single pass or you could face joint with A LOT of passes.

-- "Lack of effort will result in failure with amazing predictability" - Me

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#12 posted 12-15-2019 02:17 PM

How can a woodworker say “I am a wood worker” if he doesn’t want to work with wood? It would just be another HO HUM job.

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#13 posted 12-15-2019 02:37 PM

They do make them. They are called facers.

Alternatively most shops run them for a s4s moulder and skip jointing and planing.

Poor mans version a feeder on the outfeed side of the jointer.

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#14 posted 12-15-2019 02:46 PM

The last one I looked at for Jacobe furniture was $45,000. They make them cheaper but this one was for running 3 shifts.

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#15 posted 12-15-2019 03:29 PM

Jared, thanks for pic of the facer. That’s what I was thinking but for about $2,500. Now the guy feeding that monster all day long looks like he’s having a blast. A real woodworker, I’d say.

Stock-feeder mounted on jointer, that seems so simple, and relatively inexpensive, that I’m surprised that I just can’t go buy one at Rockler. Except I don’t want some jury rigged system. I want a machine designed for auto-jointing. How about one of those combo planer-jointer machines modified so that one-half planes and the other joints, all using the same cutters and stock feed mechanism. Is that so hard to imagine? I’ve got my credit card handy.

PS, there are a number of stock-feeder-on-a-jointer videos on Youtube. Why no home shop version? Is it lack of imagination on behalf of the tool builders? Or is there some inherent design challenges that make it completely impractical to produce at low cost?

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