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Forum topic by PresidentsDad posted 12-13-2019 06:46 AM 523 views 0 times favorited 22 replies Add to Favorites Watch
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PresidentsDad

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12-13-2019 06:46 AM

Hey all,
I’ve purchased a used grizzly g0562zp 3hp twin canister filter dust collector and I intend to mate it with a super dust deputy xl. Since it’ll be a two stage unit, do you think there is any issue with mounting it horizontally so I can mate the input of the dust collector directly to the SDD? I have an awkward space situation in my shop and mounting this on the ceiling with the filters going out horizontally and the suction side of the collector pointed down into the SDD would really help my space issue. Thanks for the advice.


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therealSteveN

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#1 posted 12-13-2019 07:02 AM

Gravity is a weird thing. I think you will find out about it. High on a wall, and Vertical works better for gravity.

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Fred Hargis

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#2 posted 12-13-2019 11:28 AM

We do what we have to do, so go ahead. The only caution I can think of is that the motor bearings are sometimes specific to which way they are oriented (load-wise). But I also think that’s important in a commercial setting; less so in a hobbyist shop.

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#3 posted 12-13-2019 12:17 PM

Wow – that thing takes up a lot of space. Mounting the fan and motor horizontally or vertically shouldn’t affect the motor or fan performance. Mounting the filter elements horizontally will make cleaning the filters a lot more difficult.

The clear bags at the bottom of the pleated filters aren’t nearly so important with a 2 stage system since very little material will make it to the filters and the dust that does make it into the 2nd stage will mostly remain on the filters until it is dislodged by the cleaning paddles. Running the paddle around to knock off the dust without removing it will just result in most of it being re-deposited on the filters when the unit is turned back on. I have an access port on mine and take off the door to get the shop vac wand inside the filter to vacuum off the inside face of the pleats.

-- Earl "I'm a pessamist - generally that increases the chance that things will turn out better than expected"

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PresidentsDad

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#4 posted 12-13-2019 01:22 PM

What if I removed the connector between the impeller and filter housing, replaced it with a single unit and only used one filter? Since it’ll be a 2 stage unit at that point, I would imagine I don’t need as much filtration. So I could go with one filter and one bag or I could mount both filters on the one side. Either way it keeps it vertical and smaller for the place I’d prefer to put it in my shop. Thoughts on that?

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#5 posted 12-13-2019 01:51 PM

The amount of filtration is needed for the volume of air or at least to prevent the filter from restricting the volume anyway. If you reduce to just one filter, you will give up some of the CFM. If you could for example modify it so you can stack the filters on top of each other you could reduce the footprint but not reduced your airflow

If I understand your original question, instead of pivoting the entire unit sideways so that the intake can be mated to the top of the SDD, can you simply pivot the Y manifold 90° so that the intake points down? It looks like the connections between the manifold and the filter units are square so it appears you could rotate it. In fact if you do that, you could mount the motor/impeller’s base to the wall.

-- Nathan, TX -- Hire the lazy man. He may not do as much work but that's because he will find a better way.

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PresidentsDad

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#6 posted 12-13-2019 02:12 PM



The amount of filtration is needed for the volume of air or at least to prevent the filter from restricting the volume anyway. If you reduce to just one filter, you will give up some of the CFM. If you could for example modify it so you can stack the filters on top of each other you could reduce the footprint but not reduced your airflow

If I understand your original question, instead of pivoting the entire unit sideways so that the intake can be mated to the top of the SDD, can you simply pivot the Y manifold 90° so that the intake points down? It looks like the connections between the manifold and the filter units are square so it appears you could rotate it. In fact if you do that, you could mount the motor/impeller s base to the wall.

- Lazyman


Unfortunately, they are NOT square. Not sure which genius thought that up. I’m wondering if I bought this (https://www.grizzly.com/parts/Grizzly-OUTLET-CONNECTOR/P0548ZP019), if I could simply mount both filters to the one filter housing so I have the through put and would just have to clean out the lower filter every once in a while.

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#7 posted 12-13-2019 02:29 PM

That is assuming that the connector would fit. Is it square? There aren’t any specs. You may have to call them to get the dimensions and orientation of the ends. You may have to make your own connector somehow. Perhaps reshaping a round duct to fit the square holes?

-- Nathan, TX -- Hire the lazy man. He may not do as much work but that's because he will find a better way.

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#8 posted 12-14-2019 12:42 AM



Gravity is a weird thing. I think you will find out about it. High on a wall, and Vertical works better for gravity.

- therealSteveN

I agree. A cyclone carrying dust and chips uses gravity to help in the separation process so sideways may cause a build up of waste in the cyclone and then it’s no longer a cyclone.
It is intriguing though. It would be fun to see exactly what happens.

-- A bad day woodworking is still better than a good day working.

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PresidentsDad

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#9 posted 12-14-2019 02:25 AM


Gravity is a weird thing. I think you will find out about it. High on a wall, and Vertical works better for gravity.

- therealSteveN

I agree. A cyclone carrying dust and chips uses gravity to help in the separation process so sideways may cause a build up of waste in the cyclone and then it s no longer a cyclone.
It is intriguing though. It would be fun to see exactly what happens.

- fivecodys


The cyclone separator would still be in it’s normal configuration, just the motor and filter housing would be horizontal.

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#10 posted 12-14-2019 12:01 PM

Perhaps if you use that connector, but skip that filter housing. I think you could stack the filters, and blow into them with that connector and a shop built baffle on the top of the filters to accept it. If you want a clean out box on the bottom, build that as well. Honestly, IME with a good cyclone, very little gets to the clean out box…the fines all wind up in the folds of the filters. So cleaning the filters means blowing the dust out from the outside and cleaning out through the box. Just a thought.

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#11 posted 12-14-2019 12:35 PM

+1 – Fred – that was what I was trying to get at but didn’t do a very good job of explaining it.

-- Earl "I'm a pessamist - generally that increases the chance that things will turn out better than expected"

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#12 posted 12-15-2019 05:28 AM

Tried to post this yesterday, but LJ’s didn’t like it…

My vote is for ” it makes no difference”

Just look at the mounting configurations of the various Grizzly dust collectors.

Key is smooth air flow, transitions and bends. I do agree that the separator should be placed level so when the airflow velocity is lowered, gravity allows the chips and dust to fall out of the air stream.

I currently have my dust collector mounted with the base horizontal, fan vertical. Sucks just fine… I plan to reconfigure the DC and mount it with the base vertical and the fan horizontal. I see no difference for the DC, separators yes…

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#13 posted 12-15-2019 08:38 PM


Gravity is a weird thing. I think you will find out about it. High on a wall, and Vertical works better for gravity.

- therealSteveN

I agree. A cyclone carrying dust and chips uses gravity to help in the separation process so sideways may cause a build up of waste in the cyclone and then it s no longer a cyclone.
It is intriguing though. It would be fun to see exactly what happens.

- fivecodys

The cyclone separator would still be in it s normal configuration, just the motor and filter housing would be horizontal.

- PresidentsDad

You mean like this:

I have not had issues with mine.

-- A bad day woodworking is still better than a good day working.

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Kelly

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#14 posted 12-15-2019 11:52 PM

The ONLY thing that ever concerned me about doing this with my three horse is, the impeller is heavy and the bearings may not be, long term, tolerant of being flipped ninety degrees. Otherwise, there is no good reason not to go ahead with your plans.

It would be interesting to compare the bearings on a Dust Gorilla cyclone, for example, and one of my old Jet three horse critters.

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PresidentsDad

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#15 posted 12-16-2019 04:15 AM


Gravity is a weird thing. I think you will find out about it. High on a wall, and Vertical works better for gravity.

- therealSteveN

I agree. A cyclone carrying dust and chips uses gravity to help in the separation process so sideways may cause a build up of waste in the cyclone and then it s no longer a cyclone.
It is intriguing though. It would be fun to see exactly what happens.

- fivecodys

The cyclone separator would still be in it s normal configuration, just the motor and filter housing would be horizontal.

- PresidentsDad

You mean like this:

I have not had issues with mine.

- fivecodys


Where’d you mount the filters?

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