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10-31-2019 03:22 AM

Topic tags/keywords: outfeed table saw dust collection question resource

I just acquired a Craftsman 113.19063. ( for the discussion on that, https://www.lumberjocks.com/topics/306608#reply-5246300)

My shop is super small so I am building an outfeed table that doubles as a mobile base for the saw (this is what I’m building, just a little better). I need some ideas on how to capture the dust. I don’t have the money OR space to get a real DC so I am looking at a drawer or fan/filter system. Whatever I use, I will have an over the blade shroud also.

Here are some screenshots, but the actual model is on sketchup under #cabinetsawcabinet. The yellow cupboard is where the drawer or filter/fan will be. The red parts are where the saw and dust will live. The tile is the cast iron top, the rest of the cabinet is plywood or MDF

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#1 posted 10-31-2019 04:07 AM

I just acquired a Craftsman 113.19063. ( for the discussion on that, https://www.lumberjocks.com/topics/306608#reply-5246300)
- Sanderguy777

Congrats on your new machine! Just an FYI – 113.19063 is just the motor model number, not the saw… There should be a separate plate with a model/serial number on the cabinet somewhere. If not, you can try to match it up with one in the photo gallery over at the vintagemachinery site. From there, you can try to grab an appropriate manual.

Here is a ‘photo’ from the 1955 Craftsman catalog that looks like what you have:

Cheers,
Brad

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#2 posted 10-31-2019 04:32 PM

Hey, that looks pretty similar to the saw I started off with. Fairly good machines. I used it for the first 2 years in my cabinet shop, and it got me started just fine before I purchased a unisaw. That was quite a while ago, and my friend now has the original saw and it’s still going strong. As for the over-arm guide, I like the excalibur design. Here’s an old video with a quick shot of it, sorry I can’t find photos at the moment. https://youtu.be/Sd3o7MegLQE?t=76

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#3 posted 10-31-2019 05:09 PM

Without a DC that is going to be tough. I think I might be inclined to let the dust in the cabinet pile up and then clean it out when needed, and vac whatever remains. That same vac will be needed for the over blade shroud as well. If you can arrange a drawer system to catch the dust that will make things a lot easier.

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#4 posted 10-31-2019 05:20 PM

Interesting that it was a left tilt saw. I think all contractor type saws are left tilt. Is that true? Looks like that saw is a contractor saw with a cabinet base added.

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#5 posted 11-01-2019 01:45 AM

I found the model number.

Unless they made the saw for multiple years, it is a 1954 model. So you were like right on

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#6 posted 11-01-2019 10:23 AM

If it’s of interest to you, that saw was made by King Seeley, a great name of old tools. The motor is made by Emerson Electric. With Craftsman tools, the first 3 digits of a model number indicates the company that made the item. 103 is King Seely, 113 is Emerson. Here's one from OWWM.

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#7 posted 11-01-2019 11:20 AM



Interesting that it was a left tilt saw. I think all contractor type saws are left tilt. Is that true? Looks like that saw is a contractor saw with a cabinet base added.

- MrRon

Yup. Contractor saw on the cabinet base. And no, not all contractor type saws were left tilts. Just look at old Delta contractor saws. Most of those are right tilts.

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#8 posted 11-01-2019 02:42 PM



Hey, that looks pretty similar to the saw I started off with. Fairly good machines. I used it for the first 2 years in my cabinet shop, and it got me started just fine before I purchased a unisaw. That was quite a while ago, and my friend now has the original saw and it s still going strong. As for the over-arm guide, I like the excalibur design. Here s an old video with a quick shot of it, sorry I can t find photos at the moment. https://youtu.be/Sd3o7MegLQE?t=76

- Stephan in BC

Are those after market? May have to look into that…


Without a DC that is going to be tough. I think I might be inclined to let the dust in the cabinet pile up and then clean it out when needed, and vac whatever remains. That same vac will be needed for the over blade shroud as well. If you can arrange a drawer system to catch the dust that will make things a lot easier.

- Fred Hargis

Definitely looks like the best option. Drawer, over arm, and a box fan with a furnace filter on it.
The drawer will be about 8 inches high and go in the bottom of the yellow part of the diagram. That will let me have space for other stuff there too.

-- Marc Spagnuolo (standing in front of clamp wall): I think I need a few more . Me (owner of at least 8 clamps):.....?

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#9 posted 11-01-2019 02:56 PM

I want to run an idea past you guys.

The grid looking part of the diagram is where the saw is going to sit. It is about 1.5” lower than the rest of the base because I was planning on putting the saw on drawer slides.

The reason is then if I need to replace a belt or the motor, I can slide the saw out and get at it easily. Otherwise I’ll have to slide it out against friction and that won’t be easy or good for the saw. Also, they would keep the saw aligned with any tracks or jigs I add along the way.

These are the tracks I’m thinking about
https://www.rockler.com/centerlinereg-lifetime-series-758-220-lb-heavy-duty-full-extension-drawer-slides

Good idea? Bad idea? Are there better, more cost effective slides? They probably need to be ball bearing right? (They will be away from most dust, and I’ll make a few little dams that keep dust out of their area for the most part.

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#10 posted 11-01-2019 03:47 PM

I feel there is too much “wiggle” room with drawer slides to keep the saw from moving around while cutting. Like any stationary saw, it needs to be stationary in use. Just try a drawer in your kitchen to see what I mean.

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#11 posted 11-01-2019 07:38 PM

Is this the serial number?

It’s right under the table top on the bracket that holds the tilt mechanism.

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#12 posted 11-01-2019 08:08 PM

A drawer in OUR kitchen… that’s like comparing an m16 to an AK47! Our drawers are from the 50s and dont have metal slides…

Jokes aside, do they wiggle side to side or just want to extend? I’d have a stop block to stop the extension…

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