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jaybee76

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10-10-2019 02:08 PM

Prepping the staircase for my new treads and adding a skirt. Against the wall, not scribed over the stairs.

To avoid squeaks, among all of the preventative measures done.on the treads/stringers would some adhesive on the skirt to drywall be a good idea?

I noticed some.squeaks at the tread skirt joint during a dry fit.

Im not.worried about getting the skirt back out because the treads would have to come out to get it out if needed. Then ill.just rip the whole thing down

If so, which adhesive? Im planning on plpremium for.the treads

2nd question. Ive seen some.recommend adhesive on stringers and wood glue on risers. Why?


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Steve

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#1 posted 10-10-2019 03:00 PM

Maybe check this thread for more info?

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jaybee76

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#2 posted 10-10-2019 04:24 PM



Maybe check this thread for more info?

- Steve


Thats my thread, unless you were trying to tell me something.

I.took all of that info but have seen some recommend glue, not adhesive, on the tread/riser connection and adhesive on the tread/stringer connection.

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jaybee76

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#3 posted 10-10-2019 04:28 PM



Maybe check this thread for more info?

- Steve


Thats my thread, unless you were trying to tell me something.

I.took all of that info but have seen some recommend glue, not adhesive, on the tread/riser connection and adhesive on the tread/stringer connection. I suppose the general title of this thread points to alot of the info.in there but the skirt question was the main.one

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Axis39

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#4 posted 10-11-2019 01:24 AM

I have no issue with const. adhesive connecting tread and rise and tread/riser to stringer.

I would think Titebond III would be a satisfactory glue as well.

My simple criteria would be strong and flexible, with a long lifespan. Anything brittle would be my most avoided product. Stairs flex, no matter what. Especially in the long run. So, long term flexibility is important to minimize squeaks and creaks years from now.

-- John F. SoCal transplant, chewer uppper of good wood

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#5 posted 10-11-2019 02:06 AM

Bostiks Best is a high end moisture cured urathane wood flooring adhesive that remains flexable for wood movement and adhears extremly well. It is usually available at a flooring supply company in five gallon buckets or in caulking type tubes. The link below shows it at Floor and Décor for $6. I have been installing stair treads for many years and it always works for me. It is one of the wood flooring adhesives that can be used for solid wood. MAKE SURE you clean up any adhesive as soon as it gets someplace you don’t want it. Mineral spirits works very will for cleaning. If you wait for the next day it is almost impossible to clean off.

https://www.flooranddecor.com/wood-adhesive-installation-materials/bostik-best-wood-flooring-urethane-adhesive-and-moisture-vapor-control-100092600.html?utm_source=BING&utm_medium=Shopping&utm_campaign=Installation%20Materials%20-%20High%20-%20RLSA&msclkid=632bb52d7e8c1c20d725e8b29f87a03c

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#6 posted 10-11-2019 02:12 AM


Bostiks Best is a high end moisture cured urathane wood flooring adhesive that remains flexable for wood movement and adhears extremly well. It is usually available at a flooring supply company in five gallon buckets or in caulking type tubes. The link below shows it at Floor and Décor for $6. I have been installing stair treads for many years and it always works for me. It is one of the wood flooring adhesives that can be used for solid wood. MAKE SURE you clean up any adhesive as soon as it gets someplace you don t want it. Mineral spirits works very will for cleaning. If you wait for the next day it is almost impossible to clean off.

https://www.flooranddecor.com/wood-adhesive-installation-materials/bostik-best-wood-flooring-urethane-adhesive-and-moisture-vapor-control-100092600.html?utm_source=BING&utm_medium=Shopping&utm_campaign=Installation%20Materials%20-%20High%20-%20RLSA&msclkid=632bb52d7e8c1c20d725e8b29f87a03c

- 4wood


Thanks 4wood, not many reviews on this so i wasnt sure. started looking after axis said flexible but tough

pl premium has been recommended to me as well but it doesnt seem to be flexible.

What about bostik’s tread lock? thats the one I actually found first from them and Home Depot sells

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jaybee76

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#7 posted 10-11-2019 02:21 AM


Bostiks Best is a high end moisture cured urathane wood flooring adhesive that remains flexable for wood movement and adhears extremly well. It is usually available at a flooring supply company in five gallon buckets or in caulking type tubes. The link below shows it at Floor and Décor for $6. I have been installing stair treads for many years and it always works for me. It is one of the wood flooring adhesives that can be used for solid wood. MAKE SURE you clean up any adhesive as soon as it gets someplace you don t want it. Mineral spirits works very will for cleaning. If you wait for the next day it is almost impossible to clean off.

https://www.flooranddecor.com/wood-adhesive-installation-materials/bostik-best-wood-flooring-urethane-adhesive-and-moisture-vapor-control-100092600.html?utm_source=BING&utm_medium=Shopping&utm_campaign=Installation%20Materials%20-%20High%20-%20RLSA&msclkid=632bb52d7e8c1c20d725e8b29f87a03c

- 4wood


How much (tubes) do i need or should i use for a 13 tread staircase? I think I will either go with what you said or tread lock, or if you know which one works better. The one you said is for wood floors and tread lock is for stairs, but not sure of the applicable difference

your rec. is cheaper on there by 25%

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#8 posted 10-11-2019 03:39 AM

I just went to the Bostik website and read the info on Tread Lock. This must me a new product since I have never heard of it. The link below is the data sheet from Bostik. From reading your other posts I would remove the finish on the bottom side where it needs the adhesive. I believe you are attaching the treads just to the stringers. The data sheet says . Surface must be clean, dry and smooth; free of voids, projections, and loose materials. Finishes, oils, greases, sealers, waxes and all other surface contaminants must be sanded down to bare wood.

https://www.bostik.com/globalassets/tdsdocuments/tread-lock_united_states_en/technical-data-sheet/tread-lock_tds_083016.pdf

WARNING: Tread-Lock™ is to be used in conjunction with mechanical fasteners to prevent movement of the stair retread while the adhesive cures. Failure to use appropriate mechanical fasteners may lead to slipping or falling down the staircase. See installation instructions for more detail.
ases, sealers, waxes and all other surface contaminants must be sanded down to bare wood. It also mentions to use mechanical fasteners. I would probably pre drill a hole close to your existing risers and drive a nail to hold the tread in place and put some weight on the front until is sets up.

Bostik is a very good company so I would go with the tread lock. You can call Bostik and ask for technical assistance and discuss this with them The number I have for them is 978 777 0100

If you are just attaching them to the stringers you may need one tube for three treads. Ask Bostik when you call them.

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#9 posted 10-11-2019 09:59 AM



Prepping the staircase for my new treads and adding a skirt. Against the wall, not scribed over the stairs.

To avoid squeaks, among all of the preventative measures done.on the treads/stringers would some adhesive on the skirt to drywall be a good idea?

I noticed some.squeaks at the tread skirt joint during a dry fit.

Im not.worried about getting the skirt back out because the treads would have to come out to get it out if needed. Then ill.just rip the whole thing down

If so, which adhesive? Im planning on plpremium for.the treads

2nd question. Ive seen some.recommend adhesive on stringers and wood glue on risers. Why?

- jaybee76

Use Pl premium for the whole thing. It’s a 100% solid, proven product in the stair industry, be it a retro fit or a new build. I go through pallets of it every month.
As for the squeaks, if you have squeaks, something is moving or rubbing that shouldn’t be. I’d typically spot glue the skirt to the drywall, but I would doubt it would help with the squeaking problem.

-- It is the mark of an educated mind to be able to entertain a thought without accepting it. Aristotle

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#10 posted 10-11-2019 08:31 PM

You could apply a strip of foam tape where the tread rests on the skirt.

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jaybee76

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#11 posted 10-11-2019 11:48 PM



You could apply a strip of foam tape where the tread rests on the skirt.

- MrRon


I was thinking about this. Something felt or foam. Its pretty tight but im glad to see one of my ideas getting reinforced
thanks

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jaybee76

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#12 posted 10-11-2019 11:52 PM

Prepping the staircase for my new treads and adding a skirt. Against the wall, not scribed over the stairs.

To avoid squeaks, among all of the preventative measures done.on the treads/stringers would some adhesive on the skirt to drywall be a good idea?

I noticed some.squeaks at the tread skirt joint during a dry fit.

Im not.worried about getting the skirt back out because the treads would have to come out to get it out if needed. Then ill.just rip the whole thing down

If so, which adhesive? Im planning on plpremium for.the treads

2nd question. Ive seen some.recommend adhesive on stringers and wood glue on risers. Why?

- jaybee76

Use Pl premium for the whole thing. It s a 100% solid, proven product in the stair industry, be it a retro fit or a new build. I go through pallets of it every month.
As for the squeaks, if you have squeaks, something is moving or rubbing that shouldn t be. I d typically spot glue the skirt to the drywall, but I would doubt it would help with the squeaking problem.

- Tony_S

My only concern with pl premium is that it is supposedly hard as a rock and not flexible. Is this not true?

I was told, maybe even in this thread as well, that it needs to be flexible and not brittle, al though hard and brittle

Not that I dont trust what you are saying at all. Just trying to understand this

The undersides are polyurethane with one coat of finish for moisture purposes, so I wanted to use a poly adhesive. i just bought titebond fast set, in hopes that they would bond well.

I am in the middle of testing but I dont need to glue until november 1st so i am still up in the air

First i was going to go with pl premium then red it was hard and not flexible,

I am not against sanding some poly off the bottom as a last resort if I cant get a bond but it is last resort at this point. No reason poly cant bond to poly and do well

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Sylvain

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#13 posted 10-12-2019 12:15 PM

Have a look at the drawings here

and read the latest P.S. comment.

Personally, I think squeaking might be interesting as it indicates if somebody is in the house. I am not tracking squeaking (stairs, floors, doors) in my house and my wife doesn’t complain.

-- Sylvain, Brussels, Belgium, Europe - The more I learn, the more there is to learn

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