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dschlic1

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10-01-2019 06:16 PM

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I am building an oak table. I will be using an oil based stain and a water based finish. Should I raise the grain before applying the stain or afterwards?


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#1 posted 10-01-2019 06:19 PM

Before.

Best to avoid sanding after staining until finish has been applied.

-- John F. SoCal transplant, chewer uppper of good wood

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#2 posted 10-01-2019 08:53 PM

Always before coloring, but what stain are you using? If the typical box store stuff like minwax and most others they have a bit of solids/resin to hold the dye and pigment in and to the wood surface, and seals the surface. No pre-grain raising usually required. Test on scrap, depending on sanding/prep there might be a few whiskers that stand up, but a film building wb finish will be above them. Solvent dye usually has no solids and would need pre raising with a wb finish.

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#3 posted 10-01-2019 09:22 PM

Oil based stain won’t raise the grain. I do have to ask why you’re using a waterborne topcoat on it? Oil and water don’t mix, and that goes for finishes as well.

-- Half of what we read or hear about finishing is right. We just don’t know which half! — Bob Flexner

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#4 posted 10-01-2019 10:06 PM



Oil based stain won t raise the grain. I do have to ask why you re using a waterborne topcoat on it? Oil and water don t mix, and that goes for finishes as well.

- Rich

+1 There are great products both OB and WB but I’d stick with one or the other for the whole process.

-- Andy - Seattle USA

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#5 posted 10-01-2019 10:29 PM

I have successful


Oil based stain won t raise the grain. I do have to ask why you re using a waterborne topcoat on it? Oil and water don t mix, and that goes for finishes as well.

- Rich

I have successfully used water based/born clear topcoat over oil stain. As I understand you must make sure the stain is complete dry. I have the stain a full week to day in a heated shop.

I build these cabinets to match (the best I could) my blood wood kitchen. I couldn’t find anymore blood wood at the time so I use sapele wood. I stain them with Old Master’s Oil stain and top coated with Tagret’s EM 2000 6-7 years later no regrets. Maybe I got luck but I did research and try on scrap first.

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#6 posted 10-01-2019 10:44 PM

Very true. I just hate waiting and guessing if the oil based stain is completely dry and what interaction they will have. If you’re sure its really dry and cured you should be ok.

-- Andy - Seattle USA

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#7 posted 10-02-2019 12:29 AM

Charles Neil suggested I use shellac after letting the Danish oil dry before spraying a WB varnish. He recommended a half pound cut. I did a 1 pound cut and it seemed to work just fine. I don’t see why it wouldn’t work for a paint finish as well. You might consider contacting him for some advice.

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#8 posted 10-02-2019 10:34 AM

Alaska guy, you really nailed that look…well done! The advice above is all golden….most oil based stains have some kind of binder that will seal the wood, and if cured the waterborne finish will be fine. But if you’re nervous about it, a coat of dewaxed shellac between them will solve any problems.

-- Our village hasn't lost it's idiot, he was elected to congress.

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#9 posted 10-02-2019 03:29 PM

Locally I can’t source WB stain. And I don’t want to wait for OB finish to set.

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#10 posted 10-02-2019 03:32 PM

My usual go to with my cherry furniture is 4-5 coats of BLO and then a WB topcoat, but I do wait at least a week until I start the topcoat

-- I've decided 1 mistake is really 2 opportunities to learn.. learn how to fix it... and learn how to not repeat it

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#11 posted 10-02-2019 05:54 PM

AK those cabinets are fantastic, nice look, great color. I absolutely cannot see the huge draw to WHITE, stark and glaring over something as warm and homey as those.

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