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Forum topic by AJPeacock posted 10-01-2019 12:41 AM 1097 views 0 times favorited 13 replies Add to Favorites Watch
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AJPeacock

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10-01-2019 12:41 AM

Hi all,

Last week I picked up my Maple from the sawmill/kiln. 544 bf from trees in my backyard.

So now I really have to make my decision on a jointer.

In a perfect world, I’d have an 8” Parallelogram jointer with a Byrd shelix cutter head.
I’d like it to have a mobile base (like the G0490).

The Grizzly G0490 is not in stock. If the G0490X used the same carbide inserts as the Shelix, I’d just order it.

Before I actually place an order that I’m not entirely sure of, I thought I’d see if the forum had any ideas for me.

I’ve dropped Grizzly an email about it and hope to hear back tomorrow.

BTW: The reason I’d like the Jointer to use the Shelix inserts is so they’d be the same inserts as in my planer (DW735).

Thanks guys,
AJ


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kajunkraft

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#1 posted 10-01-2019 02:04 AM

Have the G0490 jointer and the shelix head on my dw735. Understand what you are saying. And I agree that it would be nice if they were both the same.

But they’re not.

However, FYI, have used both for several years and run lots of boards. Have yet to turn any inserts on either machine.

Both came with additional/spare inserts. So already set to change a few, if necessary. Not yet needed. And, if more are needed, they really aren’t too expensive.

Of course you could just buy the straight knife version and purchase the shelix head to replace!

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W.F. Judt

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#2 posted 10-01-2019 02:11 AM

Hi AJ:

I purchased a King Industrial 6” jointer recently. It’s parallelogram, with spiral cutterhead.
This was a major upgrade for me, and I am quite pleased with this machine, and have placed it on a roller-base.

Out of the crate, this jointer was not coplanar. And there were NO instructions with the tool on how to adjust it. So I went online, to You-Tube, and searched for “how to adjust” this model.

Turned out there was a fellow who had posted FOUR quality videos on the setup and fine adjustment of the jointer.

Following his leads, I purchased a 48” straight edge from Lee Valley Tools, and a set of feeler gauges. It took me about 45 minutes to set the machine to perfect coplanar condition.

After that, the machine worked perfectly.

Lesson learned: Always consider You-Tube when searching for guidance on setting up your jointer… or any other tool for that matter :-)

Hope this helps.

Bill

-- "Faith is a better tool than than fear to process a crisis. Fear views a crisis as a threat. Faith views a crisis as a means for God to work a higher purpose. “

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ibewjon

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#3 posted 10-01-2019 02:27 AM

As kajun said, you can buy the straight knife and go with shelix. I believe the grizzly heads have square set carbide. That one might be in stock. I found a used Delta before the grizly was in stock, and saved enough to pay for a shelix.

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therealSteveN

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#4 posted 10-01-2019 06:01 AM

I have had a Byrd in a DeWalt 735, and a 6” XYZ brand jointer. Now I have 2 Griz machines, heck I’m not even sure of the model numbers, but the 8” jointer, with parallelogram bed, and the 15” planer with the helical head, I believe they are both Grizzly, and I cannot tell any difference from the DeWalt as far as finish, noise, any of the items you could list.

Essentially that G0490X is exactly what I have, but I think Papa Griz must have done one of his factory swaps, because I think mine has a different # Awesome jointer.

Probably not the clearest of cell phone pics, but this is some burl Walnut after just one pass on the jointer. It had been rough, rough, rough before that pass. No tear out, smooth as a babies backside. For burl, that usually would have had some chipping with knives. Those Griz heads are good stuff. The actual cutters are German IIRC.

Spiral Cutterhead with 40 German-Made Indexable Carbide Inserts Scroll down, it’s on the third page of the spec sheet.

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unclearthur

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#5 posted 10-01-2019 07:40 AM



I purchased a King Industrial 6” jointer recently. Its parallelogram, with spiral cutterhead.

I also bought a King Industrial jointer very recently (8 inch version) and am happy with it. No adjustments to the tables were required. The manual is poor but the machine’s been working well. A decent option, at least for those in Canada who have a lot less choice.

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SweetTea

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#6 posted 10-01-2019 08:50 AM

I have the Steelex st1008 which is a direct clone of the Grizzly g0490 with the parallelogram beds. Steelex is Grizzly’s best most premium line above all else. I personally love my Grizz-Steelex st1008 and would highly recommend one!

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AJPeacock

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#7 posted 10-01-2019 04:26 PM

Thank you all for the inputs.

What about the following idea?

Order the G0857 with straight cutter head and then when/if Shelix makes a head for it, I can order it at that time.

I looked at the Shelix site and couldn’t find the 857 listed.

Maybe I should call them.

Thanks again for all the great inputs
AJ

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Aj2

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#8 posted 10-01-2019 04:36 PM



Thank you all for the inputs.

What about the following idea?

Order the G0857 with straight cutter head and then when/if Shelix makes a head for it, I can order it at that time.

I looked at the Shelix site and couldn t find the 857 listed.

Maybe I should call them.

Thanks again for all the great inputs
AJ

- AJPeacock

No buy the jointer with a helical Head installed from the factory. To avoid any problems with the head not Inline with the tables.
Thats if you must have a insert head in a jointer.
I myself don’t like the feed pressure with a insert head.
I have the insert head in my planer.

-- Aj

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pintodeluxe

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#9 posted 10-01-2019 04:38 PM

1+ on parallelogram model
1+ on 8” minimum jointer width

As far as the Shelix vs. Grizzly cutteread debate… I’m not sure. I do like my Shelix head though.

If you can find a Delta DJ-20 used, it’s basically the same thing as the G0490. It’s a big ‘ol bulletproof tank and they make a Shelix head for that model too.

-- Willie, Washington "If You Choose Not To Decide, You Still Have Made a Choice" - Rush

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AJPeacock

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#10 posted 10-01-2019 06:12 PM


Thank you all for the inputs.

What about the following idea?

Order the G0857 with straight cutter head and then when/if Shelix makes a head for it, I can order it at that time.

I looked at the Shelix site and couldn t find the 857 listed.

Maybe I should call them.

Thanks again for all the great inputs
AJ

- AJPeacock

No buy the jointer with a helical Head installed from the factory. To avoid any problems with the head not Inline with the tables.
Thats if you must have a insert head in a jointer.
I myself don’t like the feed pressure with a insert head.
I have the insert head in my planer.

- Aj2

Thanks, that is what I’m leaning towards. It’s a bit of money and a big machine. But not that much bigger than other machines. I know I need a jointer, am worried about ‘over buying’ and ‘under buying’, typical I know!

AJ

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Aj2

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#11 posted 10-01-2019 06:58 PM

Ok cool. One more suggestion I would like to make. When your setting up your machine don’t lift from the ends of the table and set it on the base. It’s tempting I know . Think it through and lift as close to the center so you don’t mess with the table alignment.

Good Luck

-- Aj

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ibewjon

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#12 posted 10-01-2019 10:00 PM

Grizly 2019 catalog. Page 84. G0857 uses Byrd H7765,. $430. Grizly head, H7654. $440

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AJPeacock

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#13 posted 10-04-2019 12:14 PM

I’ve narrowed my list down to 2 of the 8” Jointers.
G0858 Helical
G0490X Spiral

I like the Helical and the reviews on the 858, but the mobility of the G0490 puts it in the lead.

Anybody have hands on experience with the 858 that can tell me how easy it would be to make it as mobile as the G0490?

Also, are both of these jointers made in China? Or perhaps one might be made in Taiwan?

Thanks,
AJ

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