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Forum topic by Karda posted 09-20-2019 04:29 AM 388 views 0 times favorited 15 replies Add to Favorites Watch
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Karda

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09-20-2019 04:29 AM

Hi, I want t mount a wood vice to my table. but the table is 2 layers of .75” plywood. The vertical bolts will not be a problem. But will the large screws into face will be going into the edge of the ply close to the joint. Can I make that installation more secure. Ideas thanks Mike


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anthm27

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#1 posted 09-20-2019 06:26 AM

I think this is how it should be done, see diagram. The screw holes your talking about are to hold the soft third party timber Jaw in place. Not to hold the vice in place. Then the timber jaw gets screwed to the edge of your bench so the jaws finish flush with the bench.
See diagram.

RED is your vice

BLUE is third party timber and the bolts

BLACK is your exiting bench and screws

Kind Regards
Anthony

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#2 posted 09-20-2019 06:34 AM

i am not doing the vice, it rocked before when i had it on another bench, just noticed why. The tabs the bolts go through and hold the vicxe to the bench are not square so the vice will not stay tight

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#3 posted 09-20-2019 10:05 AM

Yes it looks like a very poor quality vice, a better quality vice will be bolted to the bench a lot further in from the edge than the one you’ve shown here. The bolts will be spaced further away from the fixed jaw in a better quality’s vice.
Regards
Anthony

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#4 posted 09-20-2019 01:15 PM

Try shimming the vertical bolts with washers so the vise rides lower on your table. The side effect is your vise will not ride flush with the top on bench. You could install larger (taller) wood jaws inside but will reduce your clamping pressure as the wood is taking the pressure and may deflect.

-- Bob, FL Keys

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#5 posted 09-20-2019 04:24 PM

thanks, when i bolt the vice to the table the tightening of the bolts cause the face of the vice to tilt away from the edge of the table table

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#6 posted 09-21-2019 09:46 PM

If the vise is tight and won’t come off the table, and still tilts away, you could adjust this with the wood face plates to the vise. cut the face plates so when you clamp down on the work piece you’re 90 degrees to the table.

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#7 posted 09-21-2019 10:11 PM

I asked myself what i wanted the vice for, mainly holding wood when I am wood carving. So i bolted it to a 2×4 and bolted the 2×4 to the table it works for what i want. Like always i got tied up in a proper installation not what would work

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#8 posted 09-21-2019 11:29 PM

There are a ton of vise options out there. I had that little pony vise too. found it at a yard sale for $5. When I got it home I discovered the same issue. Wound up trashing it.
Check out lee Valley. You may find cheaper options that what they offer. But the selection to both window shop, or buy is really good.
http://www.leevalley.com/us/Wood/page.aspx?cat=1&p=41659

I looked at the veritas line of vises, but in the end I bought the Quick release steel bench vise. Item C on the link below. Item A would be closer to the size of that pony vise. I just decided to go with the big one.
All three of the vises mount with four bolts from below.
So check the photos I attached. You have to shim it to be flush with your bench top.
My bench is also two layers of 3/4” baltic birch ply. And I used 1” ply to make the shim. Had to add a single piece of 1/4”, and my vise came out about a 1/16th low. Rock solid.
That pony vise only uses two bolts from the bottom, and I think two more through the face.

http://www.leevalley.com/us/Wood/page.aspx?p=49980&cat=1,41659

I have heard others using the Yost brand vise, but I have no experience with it myself. Much cheaper, and it uses the same four bolt pattern that the Lee Valley vise I have has.
here is an amazon link. Like I said above. Endless options, and better prices than what I bought.
https://www.amazon.com/Yost-M7WW-Rapid-Acting-Working/dp/B00SIQ1DLS/ref=sr_1_6?hvadid=77790509686315&hvbmt=be&hvdev=c&hvqmt=e&keywords=woodworkers+vise&qid=1569108768&s=gateway&sr=8-6

-- John

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anthm27

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#9 posted 09-22-2019 12:30 AM



I asked myself what i wanted the vice for, mainly holding wood when I am wood carving. So i bolted it to a 2×4 and bolted the 2×4 to the table it works for what i want. Like always i got tied up in a proper installation not what would work

- Karda

Please post a picture of the set up

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anthm27

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#10 posted 09-22-2019 12:44 AM


I looked at the veritas line of vises, but in the end I bought the Quick release steel bench vise. Item C on the link below. Item A would be closer to the size of that pony vise.

- bigJohninvegas

Nice set up Big John,
A few years ago I bought item B on lee valley list, The 9” version.
I used ash to make the soft jaws.

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#11 posted 09-22-2019 05:13 AM

here is what i did it seems pretty solid

If this was a better vice with a square face i could mount it to the table but the jaws wont close completely with no wood soft jaws with soft jaws yes. I can’t use a larger vice because I would need to cut away some of the steel frame, would that compromise the integrity of the table.

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#12 posted 09-22-2019 12:16 PM

Mike, it probably would jeopardize table stability.

Now, I know that one day you are gonna snag one of those bolts and bleed a little. To prevent that, go back to the hardware store where you got those bolts and get so carriage bolts. Insert them with the smooth head on the table top. Much cleaner and you won’t hurt yourself. ................. Jerry (in Tucson)

-- Jerry (in Tucson) www.woodturnerstools.com

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#13 posted 09-22-2019 04:04 PM

Thats what I thought, I never thought of carriage bolts thanks for reminding me. mike

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#14 posted 09-23-2019 02:16 AM

Well Karda, that sure is an original style of vice mount. But one thing is for sure. Its better than not having a vice at all.
Well done, full marks for having a good go.
Kind Regards
Anthony

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#15 posted 09-23-2019 05:25 AM

thanks

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