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bmilcs

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09-16-2019 07:42 PM

Hi Lumber Jocks,

I’m Bryan. This is my 1st post and here’s my not so little back story:

After deciding to purchase our first house (my grandparent’s family home), I began renovating a huge 340 sq ft basement bedroom with attached bath for my kids. It hadn’t been used in upwards of 30+ years, and sported original 1970’s original shag carpet, floral wallpaper… the whole 9 yards.

The house passed inspection with flying colors, and my first step was clearing the room of storage bins in a corner of the room. To my surprise, a mound of DIRT came into sight… within the interior of the home. One thing led to the next, and it became apparent that I needed to buy my first set of tools, consume insane amounts of material & carpentry knowledge, and get handy… fast.

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Water damage, wood rot, mold? Check.

Insect damage and drainage issues? Check.

With ZERO first or second hand experience and a single power tool in the form of a 12v Blackk & Decker drill, I tackled an unknowingly massive project. In the end, I had to demo both rooms down to the studs, replace non-PT sill plates, jack up the foundation, replace studs, exterior sheathing, insulation & siding. I installed insulation, drywall, taped, mudded, the whole shebang. I did all the electrical, plumbing, etc. and with the help of my wife, saved a ludicrous amount of money and gained a plethora of knowledge and tools.

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The cause of all this trouble? The downspout of doom. Water ran along the hill side of our house, causing dirt to pile up against and OVER the first tier of siding. My wife and I dug up the entire back and side yard, grading it away from the foundation and lowering the dirt 8” below the siding. We then installed a 4” Sch40 PVC drainage system, ensuring that we will never deal with this issue again within our lifetime.

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It’s now 9 months later, and the bedroom is 95% done… as we wait for the windows to come in :).

Is the final result as finely polished as it would’ve been if a pro had done the work? Absolutely not.

Do I regret buying this house, even after battling the banks, fire dept. insurance companies, and shedding blood sweat and tears by the gallon? NOPE.

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In short, I’m HOOKED. I did my due diligence in every step of the project, from online research to annoying my high school electrician buddy and plumber family friend to death.

I can finally move onto a more selfish deed—- converting our 2 car garage into a full blown workshop. I now need some input.

So, here are my questions:

I’ve come to a point where I need to cut rounded corners, including basic push blocks & sticks, handles, etc.

1) My reciprocating saw isn’t cutting it. Can I save some money upfront and go with a Bosch Jig Saw to tie me over instead of a band saw? I have many renovations planned and so I think it’ll still be used after upgrading to a band saw.

2) Router bits – I took the advice on Reddit to purchase Whiteside bits as I “need” them, but truthfully, I don’t know what I even need. I picked up a 1/4” Roundover and 1” Flush Cutting Bit, but would love to experiment and figure out what bits I prefer over others before upgrading. What’s a solid 1/2” Router Bit kit that I can purchase inexpensively to find out what router bits I use the most?

3) Can someone please come over and setup a dust collection system for me? :P Figuring all this out is tiresome.*

I have nothing but the utmost respect for the vast majority of you who could run circles around my minimal suffering and experience. I hope to learn as much as possible and help others along the way.

Thank you ahead of time and apologies for the homework assignment of a 1st post!
- Bryan

-- bmilcs - woodworking wanna be


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Underdog

1401 posts in 2540 days


#1 posted 09-16-2019 07:51 PM

You’re a much braver and more industrious man than I…

You know something I don’t understand? Why contractors of all types don’t acknowledge, and plan for the fact that WATER RUNS DOWNHILL.

I’ve seen this problem in my own home, the buildings I’ve worked in, other people’s houses…. etc. It’s frustrating enough that I just want to shake the builder hard enough to rattle his teeth. It’s cost us tons of money that didn’t need to be spent.

And yeah, a jigsaw would be a nice investment for you. Get one like a Bosch with the orbital action cut. I’ve got an old Craftsman that does the job, but when I used the Bosch at work, it was a revelation…

-- Jim, Georgia, USA

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bmilcs

35 posts in 30 days


#2 posted 09-16-2019 07:57 PM



You re a much braver and more industrious man than I…

You know something I don t understand? Why contractors of all types don t acknowledge, and plan for the fact that WATER RUNS DOWNHILL.

I ve seen this problem in my own home, the buildings I ve worked in, other people s houses…. etc. It s frustrating enough that I just want to shake the builder hard enough to rattle his teeth. It s cost us tons of money that didn t need to be spent.

- Underdog

Tell me about it! Whenever I leave the house, I look at other homes, my neighbors in paricular, with an entirely different perspective.

“That’s a disaster just waiting to happen.”

Proper drainage is now a gospel I preach unto others. I’m going to end up helping my parent’s in a similar manner, because inevitably, it will end up costing a truckload of money.

-- bmilcs - woodworking wanna be

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bmilcs

35 posts in 30 days


#3 posted 09-16-2019 07:59 PM


You re a much braver and more industrious man than I…

You know something I don t understand? Why contractors of all types don t acknowledge, and plan for the fact that WATER RUNS DOWNHILL.

I ve seen this problem in my own home, the buildings I ve worked in, other people s houses…. etc. It s frustrating enough that I just want to shake the builder hard enough to rattle his teeth. It s cost us tons of money that didn t need to be spent.

And yeah, a jigsaw would be a nice investment for you. Get one like a Bosch with the orbital action cut. I ve got an old Craftsman that does the job, but when I used the Bosch at work, it was a revelation…

- Underdog

Orbital action? This is the one I’m planning on ordering, as I’ve heard the handle is superior:

https://www.amazon.com/Bosch-Variable-Barrel-Grip-JS470EB-Carrying/dp/B004323NQ4/ref=sr_1_2_sspa?keywords=bosch+jigsaw&qid=1568663962&s=hi&sr=1-2-spons&psc=1&spLa=ZW5jcnlwdGVkUXVhbGlmaWVyPUEzMEZNWk00Rk1aNE5SJmVuY3J5cHRlZElkPUEwMjM5ODY0N0hYN0haU0RKUzdTJmVuY3J5cHRlZEFkSWQ9QTAzOTU4MDJIUkZZWU4xM0lWTFUmd2lkZ2V0TmFtZT1zcF9hdGYmYWN0aW9uPWNsaWNrUmVkaXJlY3QmZG9Ob3RMb2dDbGljaz10cnVl

EDIT: . It has 4 orbital-action settings, with different blade strokes for smooth and aggressive cuts

Sweetness.

Should I be able to get nice smooth cuts with this? Blade-wise, are they expensive and what brands would you recommend?

-- bmilcs - woodworking wanna be

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Rich

4953 posts in 1094 days


#4 posted 09-16-2019 08:14 PM


Orbital action? This is the one I m planning on ordering, as I ve heard the handle is superior:

- bmilcs

My Bosch has the regular handle. Neither is superior—it’s just a matter of taste. And yes, you want a jig saw regardless of whether you have a band saw or not. I have two band saws and still pull out my jig saw regularly.

-- Dopeler Effect: The tendency of stupid ideas to sound smarter the faster they come at you.

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cmacnaughton

102 posts in 149 days


#5 posted 09-16-2019 08:24 PM

I second the Bosch jigsaw. I had an old Craftsman from my Dad (and he passed 23 years ago) that had previously convinced me that either jigsaws are horrible tools or they did not properly work for left-handers. I finally bought a nice Bosch one and it’s been a revelation. I’ve been using Bosch blades for both wood and aluminium (t-track) and they’ve been great. I think I spent about $80 at Lowes and the blades are pretty inexpensive. For me at least they last a while.

-- –Chuck M. Nutmegger by choice

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bmilcs

35 posts in 30 days


#6 posted 09-16-2019 08:32 PM


Orbital action? This is the one I m planning on ordering, as I ve heard the handle is superior:

- bmilcs

My Bosch has the regular handle. Neither is superior—it s just a matter of taste. And yes, you want a jig saw regardless of whether you have a band saw or not. I have two band saws and still pull out my jig saw regularly.

- Rich

This is great to hear. I was concerned I’d have buyer remorse after moving up to a band saw. Thanks!


I second the Bosch jigsaw. I had an old Craftsman from my Dad (and he passed 23 years ago) that had previously convinced me that either jigsaws are horrible tools or they did not properly work for left-handers. I finally bought a nice Bosch one and it s been a revelation. I ve been using Bosch blades for both wood and aluminium (t-track) and they ve been great. I think I spent about $80 at Lowes and the blades are pretty inexpensive. For me at least they last a while.

- cmacnaughton

Fantastic. Thanks for your input! I’ll pull the trigger once I find the best price. I’ve heard similar things regarding jig saws, but they look awfully useful.

-- bmilcs - woodworking wanna be

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bmilcs

35 posts in 30 days


#7 posted 09-16-2019 08:34 PM

Any takers on the router comment? I know router bit kits are typically frowned upon, but I want to taste test some different profiles and sizes, even if they’re not Whitside/Freud level.

I’m hoping to keep it around the $100-150 mark.

-- bmilcs - woodworking wanna be

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wildwoodbybrianjohns

288 posts in 52 days


#8 posted 09-16-2019 08:46 PM

Oh the pain. Ive been there with my house also.

Re: Router bits, dewalt makes an ok “bit kit,” or two. Not super high-quality, but not expensive like the whitesides either. You dont need a kit with every bit known to man. 6-12 should be fine, and there will probably be a couple in there you never use, the dovetail, for example. Large/small round-over, an ogee for profiles, couple straights of diff sizes for dados/grooves, a 45º for chamfers.

Re: push blocks for table saw. You can find how/to´s for many different versions on youtube. Personally, I prefer the “shoe” type of push block. I had my wife buy me a Grripprr ( or whatever) for x-mas. Its like 60bucks or so. I NEVER use it on the table saw ( i do use on my router table occasionally). Everyone is goin about thinkin they NEED this thing or that. Save your money, make your own.

RE: bandsaw. You dont need one to do a home reno. You will need a jigsaw.

-- Wildwood by Brian Johns: It is wiser to find out, than to suppose (S. Clemens)

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Murdock

138 posts in 2989 days


#9 posted 09-16-2019 08:50 PM

For router bits, I actually started out with a cheap set from a home center. It had 12 or 15 bits in it. As soon as one got too dull to use, I purchased a nice one with a 1/2 shank from a decent brand. After a while I got rid of the set with several bits totally unused.

Grizzly has a 20 piece set: https://www.grizzly.com/products/Grizzly-Router-Bit-20-pc-Set-1-2-Shank/H5555

If you are looking for some really nice bits in a set you could go with Eagle America: https://www.eagleamerica.com/prod_detail_list/router-bit-sets

-- "Anyone who has never made a mistake has never tried anything new." - Albert Einstein

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Rich

4953 posts in 1094 days


#10 posted 09-16-2019 08:59 PM

One option is to grab one of those sets off of eBay. They’ll run you about $1 per bit. Yes they are low quality, but they generally cut pretty well the first few times you use them and when one gets dull because you use it a lot, that’s the time to go buy a name brand version of it.

-- Dopeler Effect: The tendency of stupid ideas to sound smarter the faster they come at you.

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wildwoodbybrianjohns

288 posts in 52 days


#11 posted 09-16-2019 09:10 PM

One thing about router bits i forgot to mention:

Get carbide. If you hit a nail or a screw that wont kill your bit. With the cheapos, that will kill it, and maybe there will be schrapnel involved, never a good thing.

-- Wildwood by Brian Johns: It is wiser to find out, than to suppose (S. Clemens)

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PPK

1521 posts in 1314 days


#12 posted 09-16-2019 10:00 PM

I’ve got something similar to this kit. I don’t necessarily agree that bit kits are bad. I’ve had mine for many years, and although I’ve got individual bits for very high-usage activities (like flush trimming), my “set” bits get used quite a bit, and have served me well.

https://amazon.com/Neiko-10115A-Tungsten-80-Piece-Aluminum/dp/B000HDTYSO/ref=sr_1_9?
keywords=router+bit+set&qid=1568670914&sr=8-9

Welcome to Lumber Jocks, btw. Great work on your house. I just glanced through your post, but looks like you’re well on your way!

-- Pete

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waho6o9

8767 posts in 3082 days


#13 posted 09-16-2019 10:18 PM

Nice work on your house and I appreciate your perseverance.

You’re on track with the Whiteside router bits, in the long run the deals are at the top.

1/2” router shanks are preferred , a good starter set:
https://www.whitesiderouterbits.com/collections/starter-sets/products/401

Keep doing the good work and welcome to Lumber Jocks!

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soniac

2 posts in 27 days


#14 posted 09-16-2019 10:34 PM



Hi Lumber Jocks,

I m Bryan. This is my 1st post and here s my not so little back story:

After deciding to purchase our first house (my grandparent s family home), I began renovating a huge 340 sq ft basement bedroom with attached bath for my kids. It hadn t been used in upwards of 30+ years, and sported original 1970 s original shag carpet, floral wallpaper… the whole 9 yards.

The house passed inspection with flying colors, and my first step was clearing the room of storage bins in a corner of the room. To my surprise, a mound of DIRT came into sight… within the interior of the home. One thing led to the next, and it became apparent that I needed to buy my first set of tools, consume insane amounts of material & carpentry knowledge, and get handy… fast.

—————————————-
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—————————————-

—————————————-
—————————————-
—————————————-

Water damage, wood rot, mold? Check.

Insect damage and drainage issues? Check.

With ZERO first or second hand experience and a single power tool in the form of a 12v Blackk & Decker drill, I tackled an unknowingly massive project. In the end, I had to demo both rooms down to the studs, replace non-PT sill plates, jack up the foundation, replace studs, exterior sheathing, insulation & siding. I installed insulation, drywall, taped, mudded, the whole shebang. I did all the electrical, plumbing, etc. and with the help of my wife, saved a ludicrous amount of money and gained a plethora of knowledge and tools.

—————————————-
—————————————-
—————————————-

—————————————-
—————————————-
—————————————-

The cause of all this trouble? The downspout of doom. Water ran along the hill side of our house, causing dirt to pile up against and OVER the first tier of siding. My wife and I dug up the entire back and side yard, grading it away from the foundation and lowering the dirt 8” below the siding. We then installed a 4” Sch40 PVC drainage system, ensuring that we will never deal with this issue again within our lifetime.

—————————————-
—————————————-
—————————————-

—————————————-
—————————————-
—————————————-

It s now 9 months later, and the bedroom is 95% done… as we wait for the windows to come in :).

Is the final result as finely polished as it would ve been if a pro had done the work? Absolutely not.

Do I regret buying this house, even after battling the banks, fire dept. insurance companies, and shedding blood sweat and tears by the gallon? NOPE.

—————————————-
—————————————-
—————————————-




—————————————-
—————————————-
—————————————-

In short, I m HOOKED. I did my due diligence in every step of the project, from online research to annoying my high school electrician buddy and plumber family friend to death.

I can finally move onto a more selfish deed—- converting our 2 car garage into a full blown workshop. I now need some input.

So, here are my questions:

I ve come to a point where I need to cut rounded corners, including basic push blocks & sticks, handles, etc.

1) My reciprocating saw isn t cutting it. Can I save some money upfront and go with a Bosch Jig Saw to tie me over instead of a band saw? I have many renovations planned and so I think it ll still be used after upgrading to a band saw.

2) Router bits – I took the advice on Reddit to purchase Whiteside bits as I “need” them, but truthfully, I don t know what I even need. I picked up a 1/4” Roundover and 1” Flush Cutting Bit, but would love to experiment and figure out what bits I prefer over others before upgrading. What s a solid 1/2” Router Bit kit that I can purchase inexpensively to find out what router bits I use the most?

Hi.
I hope to be able to post my comment. since this is my first time here and can’t find my way around.
Please, don’t buy Whiteside router bits now. I highly recommend YONICO router bits. Whiteside are high Dollar bits and design for the professional. You can find them on eBay.
Find some videos on youtube where they explain the savings and the small difference in the finish.
On eBay, you can find several YONICO sellers, but there is one guy in particular that sels the cheaper than the rest of them. I hope this will help you.

Paul

3) Can someone please come over and setup a dust collection system for me? :P Figuring all this out is tiresome.*

I have nothing but the utmost respect for the vast majority of you who could run circles around my minimal suffering and experience. I hope to learn as much as possible and help others along the way.

Thank you ahead of time and apologies for the homework assignment of a 1st post!
- Bryan

- bmilcs


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bmilcs

35 posts in 30 days


#15 posted 09-16-2019 10:38 PM



Oh the pain. Ive been there with my house also.

Re: Router bits, dewalt makes an ok “bit kit,” or two. Not super high-quality, but not expensive like the whitesides either. You dont need a kit with every bit known to man. 6-12 should be fine, and there will probably be a couple in there you never use, the dovetail, for example. Large/small round-over, an ogee for profiles, couple straights of diff sizes for dados/grooves, a 45º for chamfers.

Re: push blocks for table saw. You can find how/to´s for many different versions on youtube. Personally, I prefer the “shoe” type of push block. I had my wife buy me a Grripprr ( or whatever) for x-mas. Its like 60bucks or so. I NEVER use it on the table saw ( i do use on my router table occasionally). Everyone is goin about thinkin they NEED this thing or that. Save your money, make your own.

RE: bandsaw. You dont need one to do a home reno. You will need a jigsaw.

- wildwoodbybrianjohns

Thanks for all the feedback :). I was trying to justify getting a jig saw first then band saw vs going straight to a band saw. I’m gonna be doing much more than just home renovation. I loved Legos as a kid, so I don’t see my passion for making stuff going anywhere soon.

-- bmilcs - woodworking wanna be

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