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kingrl2

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09-12-2019 05:12 PM

I purchased this planer yesterday for $200 and everything appears to be in good working condition other than the infeed and outfeed rollers. The rubber is dry rotted and needs to be replaced. I’ve googled BR 15 inch auto planer AP15 and I’m getting nothing. Is it a common design that shares the same parts with another planer that I might could get parts for? Any help would really be appreciated.

Thanks Randal


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#1 posted 09-12-2019 09:55 PM

Hate sideways pictures!

The sheet metal on that gear box cover does not look like any of the 4 different 15” machines I have rebuilt/restored? The rest of machine looks like very early Grizzly G1021/G0453 configuration? Jet also sold a similar machine, but I can’t find the model number in my files.

My fall back for 15” planer parts is Grizzly or Jet; as both normally stock common wear out parts for old tools.
Grizzly has a China produced 15”, model G0453, but current models look completely different.

Most 2HP 15” planers are clone of Delta 2HP DC-380 models, and difference between parts is very subtle. Delta OEM feed rollers are still available for their Taiwan made machines, and they might even fit?

In my rebuild efforts, I have learned there are two principle 15” planer mfg, in Taiwan and one has China mfg plants. Most of the China produced machines use a slightly different shaft length for in/out feed rollers, as well as some gear box differences. The shaft difference is small (~0.200/4-5mm), but it impacts where the roller sits inside the side bushings. Have read some folks have used the shorter shafts by shimming the shaft to stay in center, and not having the shaft extend to outside of bushings like normal? So you might be able to buy a replacement from Grizzly and make it work?

If the bearing surfaces on the feed rollers are not worn out, another option is have rollers recovered. Cheapest will always be local source due cost of shipping 15lb steel bars twice, if you can find someone who recovers rubber rollers. Some folks upgrade to urethane covering? One online source that is willing to work with individuals on planer rollers is Western Roller: https://www.westernroller.com/ You can find posts in LJ supporting them as decent vendor.

PS – Not having a dust chute on top of blades is really dangerous. If you didn’t get one with machine, suggest you buy/make one. Also without the dust chute, the planer throws chips many feet into air and onto the exiting board. It is royal mess to cleanup, as thickness planing creates massive piles of chips in hurry.

If you pull the rollers/bearings, and measure shaft length, diameters, etc; and PM or post the information;
I have a worn out Delta DC-380 & Grizzly G1021 roller on hand I can check if similar dimensions.

Best Luck.

-- If it wasn't for bad luck, I wouldn't have no luck at all, - Albert King - Born Under a Bad Sign released 1967

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#2 posted 09-12-2019 10:18 PM

WOW!!! Thank you for taking the time to respond with so much information, I am speechless.

I just took the roller out, let me clean it up some and I’ll get the dimensions. Here is a quick picture of the outfeed roller, looks like the infeed roller is metal so it won’t need replacing (maybe, fingers crossed).

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#3 posted 09-12-2019 10:31 PM

I’m sorry the photos are sideways, they aren’t when I view them on my computer. Only after uploading are they turned and I can’t figure out how to rotate them :(.

Here are some quick measurements, if you need anything else, please let me know.

Thanks again,https://www.lumberjocks.com/topics/306156#
Randal

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#4 posted 09-12-2019 11:26 PM

I agree with Captain , just be sure its worth putting time and money into it.

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#5 posted 09-13-2019 02:50 AM

I will send you the Mod. no from my Jet tomorrow that I expect will have the same parts. If you don’t find a parts list online I will send you a copy then.

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kingrl2

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#6 posted 09-13-2019 03:26 AM

Thanks guys, I enjoy doing things like this. Should be a fun project and maybe I will come out with a decent planer in the end.

I found an outfeed roller for the Grizzly G1021 here…
https://www.grizzly.com/parts/Grizzly-OUTFEED-ROLLER/P1021151

From the picture, it doesn’t look like it has rubber on it.

The one for the Delta dc-380 does have rubber but is much more expensive…
https://www.toolpartsdirect.com/delta-1349339-outfeed-roller.html

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#7 posted 09-13-2019 04:52 AM

Capn K said

“Most 2HP 15” planers are clone of Delta 2HP DC-380 models, and difference between parts is very subtle. Delta OEM feed rollers are still available for their Taiwan made machines, and they might even fit?”

I’ve never seen a 2hp clone that wasn’t a spittin image of every company that made them, and half the ones I’ve seen are sitting on those sweet Delta stands with the really long roller tables for infeed, and out. All of the ones I have seen will swap part for part.

If it appears the metal has suffered no wear, or insult all you need to do is determine the thickness of the rubber on the rollers, and apply some.

IOW call about that one showing the rubber, and act scared if it will fit, and ask how thick the rubber is…...

Wink wink, nudge nudge. I’m guessing the rubber, and some good rubber cement to apply them won’t cost 136 bux. Just make sure the cement is well dried before running it. Talk about a mess…...

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#8 posted 09-13-2019 05:01 AM

I should add that they were licensed copies that Delta allowed for a small charge. This is why they are mostly on the Delta stands. The equalizer was Delta would only allow them to have a 2HP motor. I don’t think they knew a 2HP motor is all they need for general woodworking duties. Small shops and homeowners were in Hog Heaven. I have had one for a few years, and can attest it’s as robust as my current Griz 3HP, and was as powerful as a 1988 JET planer with 3 HP that I owned for years.

-- Think safe, be safe

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#9 posted 09-13-2019 04:50 PM

hmm, Helping you may not be as easy as I hoped?

1) Looks like you don’t work with machinery very often. Pictured are wood working calipers with 0.010” resolution. Need to measure with 0.001” accuracy on machine parts. Making things more difficult, Asian made planers mostly use metric dimensions. Have digital pair that displays both, to make things easier. Minor issue, can limp along and get close.

2) Posting pic of precision mechanical measurements is on round shaft will create errors. The images introduce parallax error due to angle. Plus you need rotate the caliper/shaft, then measure and record the min and max OD. Better to post the recorded numbers, not pics of measurement being made? If you can’t describe the part being measured, then make a sketch, or mark up an image using paint program on the PC.

3) I am not a planer expert. My experience is limited to rebuilding Grizzly G1021, Delta DC-380, Powermatic #15, General Int 15” (Grizzly G0551), and Jet 20” PN 708528. Have helped a local rebuild an old blue Jet JWP-15HO that was nearly same mechanically.

4) As you have already learned, many of 15” planers did not come with rubber feed rollers.
FWIW – Every 15” planer I have worked on also used a metal in-feed roller with spiral cuts that create a ‘segmented’ roller. Have never seen a rubber in-feed roller on 15” planer?
The Delta DC-380 is only one I have seen that always used rubber out-feed (PN 1349339). Grizzly offers rubber out-feed roller replacements on Taiwan made G1021 and some of the older G0453 China made tools:
https://www.grizzly.com/products/Grizzly-15-Rubber-Outfeed-Roller-for-G1021-Series-Planers/T30533
https://www.grizzly.com/products/Grizzly-15-Rubber-Outfeed-Roller-for-G0453-Series-Planers/T28060

IMHO – as long as your dust collection works well, solid metal out feed roller works just like rubber version. It’s only when your dust collector leaves behind debris that difference becomes apparent. Metal roller will leave impressions/dents in softer woods when debris is left on top surface as it exits the planer.

5) Feed Roller dimensions:
The 15” planer feed rollers are quirky. The don’t use bearings, instead they use bushing blocks. These need to be manually oiled regularly, or the shafts gall and wear out. Bushing blocks are under constant stress due the spring pressure on feed rollers. This means the wear out over time. IME – The gear box side bushings usually have most wear, and can only be seen with chain cover removed.

Here is an extreme case of bushing block wear:

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Here is a new one:

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The ID of bushing is 20.00mm. The shaft bearing surface is usually 19.98mm on new shaft. If shaft or bushing has worn more than 0.008”/0.2mm, suggest replacing one or both. Between all machines I have rebuilt, have only needed to replace one out-feed roller due excessive shaft wear. Rest only needed new bushings.

One last note on bushing blocks. While shopping for bushing blocks, all of my rebuilds used the same 35mmx35mmx20mm bushing with bearing hole offset slightly. But if yours is different size, don’t despair. Did find one 15” planer bushing that was slightly different. Never bought one, but images showed it to be slightly smaller and square shape.

The Delta/G1021 out feed roller OD is 50mm/1.97”, and shaft overall length is 508mm/20”. The metal and rubber rollers have same OD. Your pics show much smaller OD, and slightly difference shaft pattern? Not sure if that is due missing rubber, or if you have different planer design?

Another key dimension is shaft OD, where the chain drive gear mounts. It is 17mm or ~0.670, using a 5mm wide shaft key.

One interesting note with rubber rollers: the width of rubber on new roller is ~1/8” less than 15”, on my original Delta the rubber portion is only 14-13/16” wide. Natural rubber is known to shrink during cure, and can shrink more as dries out with age. Never found the reduced width to impact planer performance.

Hope this helps.

-- If it wasn't for bad luck, I wouldn't have no luck at all, - Albert King - Born Under a Bad Sign released 1967

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#10 posted 09-13-2019 09:52 PM

Thanks everyone, I don’t see any wear between the bearings and the shaft so I think I will try to replace the rubber. That might be my easiest and maybe cheapest way out. I’ve sent an email to westernroller to get a quote. I’ll post back here with results.

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