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07-25-2019 12:35 PM

Hello everyone, so I just stumbled on this new dust collector. Released only this month so there is nothing online about it yet!
Oneida Supercell High-Pressure Dust Collector

Based on their site it should work for “everything.” What do you all think? Should this really work as good on a table saw as it does on a jig saw?

I think it looks like a nice option for my needs actually.


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Redoak49

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#1 posted 07-25-2019 05:40 PM

Only 400 cfm on a 4” hose. Unique and useful for some applications.

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#2 posted 07-25-2019 05:47 PM

Interesting but kinda pricey for me.

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HackFabrication

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#3 posted 07-26-2019 02:25 PM



Interesting but kinda pricey for me.

- fivecodys


Yep. Same for me. Oneida is sure proud of their stuff…. Probably explains why they can get almost $200 for their blow molded SDD.

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#4 posted 07-26-2019 03:16 PM

So, it’s basically a high priced shop vac? High suction low CFM, not sure if this has any use in dust collection but it’ll sure suck that pile of screws off the floor.

My other favourite part is that it comes with a wheelie base. Tiny little wheels for an incredibly top-heavy unit…that is 5hp, 240V so you’d have the world’s biggest most awkward cord to drag around.

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#5 posted 07-26-2019 05:51 PM


My other favourite part is that it comes with a wheelie base. Tiny little wheels for an incredibly top-heavy unit…that is 5hp, 240V so you d have the world s biggest most awkward cord to drag around.

- Manitario

The unit is not meant to be mobile. There are wall mounting brackets build in, and in the stock photos it looks permanently attached to the wall. Wheels on the dust bucket would be useful… wish I had them on my 35 gallon fiber drum.

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#6 posted 07-26-2019 07:55 PM

I’ve been shopping for a DC and this caught my eye. 10” WC @ 400 cfm would be better than any big DC out there. It would cover most big equipment (TS, planer, jointer) in a one-man shop as well as providing the high vacuum for down draft and small tools like ROS, router, etc. It might even work well with a dust hood for a miter saw or lathe.

Having said that – $2400 is a large price tag.

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#7 posted 07-26-2019 08:05 PM

This looks interesting. I wonder where Oneida sees this DC fitting within their line? It’s a 5hp/230v collector so I assume it will not be part of their personal systems. Who is the target consumer/business for this tool?

It seems as though the marketing literature is more focused on higher levels of suction rather than higher CFM. It also seems to be targeted at tools with smaller dust ports (1” to 5”) and being able to provide suction through long (100’) runs of ducting or hose. Do tools with smaller dust ports (e.g. router, sander, etc.) require higher velocity airflow?

Why would I buy this over the mini-gorilla or one of the V-System 3000 HEPA models?

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ColoradoJake

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#8 posted 07-26-2019 09:47 PM

I managed to call up Oneida today to get some information, that was a fun conversation actually.

My questions were regarding dust collection on band and table saws with over and under dust collection, my dewalt 735, and a miter saw. The gist of it is that this “should be an improvement” to normal dust collection due to the high pressure of the suction. I was told that a table saw with dust collection blade guard would see improved performance from the guard collection. This collector has the power to collect from one of these tools at a time, no more, it is correct on their site that it would be good for a couple smaller tools at the same time as long as they are not at the end of its 100’ hose rating. As for the miter saw, the sales rep was saying it would work good with a 4” Radial/Miter Saw Hood combined with a hose connected to the saw’s built in collection port.

The one thing he said it would not work for was something that has a 6” port or perhaps even two 4” ports. that would be beyond the abilities of this item.

This unit is not mobile, I asked why the small bucket makes it look that way and the answer was simply the small bucket has the optional wheeled base but the other two sizes didn’t shot it in the pictures.


Why would I buy this over the mini-gorilla or one of the V-System 3000 HEPA models?

- Bill_Steele

Basically they are marketing it as improved dust collection from small power tools and standard sized tools alike if I understood the sales rep right. So if it works better for that than a traditional equivalently powered collector then it might be good. Having said that it is hard to wrap my head around it being better even though they told me the higher pressure at 400 CFM makes it collect all the dust… So not for everyone but looks cool and has a small footprint.

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Redoak49

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#9 posted 07-26-2019 10:21 PM

I would not buy it. However, I do like to see companies come out with new concepts and ideas. Some make and some don’t.

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#10 posted 07-27-2019 05:48 PM

High-vacuum systems tend to outperform high CFM systems if the dust source is properly enclosed. High CFM is better if there are more openings for dust to escape. Larger ducts are needed if there are lots of chips, curls and stringy plywood bits that cause clogging.

Wherever possible, I try to setup our equipment to use vacuums for dust collection and reserve the dust collection capacity for chip generators like the planer or machines that are difficult to enclose with a shroud.

Dust collection on the CNC routers increased to nearly 100% when we switched to pressure foot dust shrouds like the ones AXYZ uses. The older, brushed dust-shoe with 4” hose powered by a 3HP dust collector couldn’t pull chips out of the kerfs. With the pressure foot, a shop vac will clear the kerfs.

I could see using a Supercell in the future. The CNC that cuts plywood tends to get clogged due to the small diameter hose but a shop vac can’t pull enough CFM to use 4” hose. I doubt a conventional dust collector has enough suction to clear the kerfs but the Supercell probably does.

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#11 posted 07-28-2019 04:54 PM

If someone buys one of these, be sure to post a review.

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#12 posted 07-29-2019 12:13 AM

So it is a high volume vacuum? Isn’t that what the dust cobra was supposed to be?

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#13 posted 07-29-2019 01:46 PM

So it looks like this would be best to pair with a true high CFM collector in an industrial or otherwise well equipped shop. Connect it to the blade guard on your TS, router table, miter saw, downdraft table, and other small port tools. Use a traditional dust collector on the big, multi port or 6” port tools.

I don’t see myself ever getting something like this (festool vac and oneida v3000 make an excellent pair already), but I think it is cool and has its place for someone that has reached the limit to their already plumbed dust collector.

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#14 posted 08-21-2019 10:57 PM

Just now setting up a basement shop with 400 s.f. and low ceiling (6’ 8”) and 4” pipe for dust collection from table saw, bandsaw, jointer, planer, router table, and miter saw. I would love to have the Oneida v3000 dust collector but it’s too tall (I think} to fit under the low ceiling, and building a dedicated shop building with a tall ceiling would cost me tens of thousands of dollars. I’m a bit asthmatic and want excellent dust collection. I’d welcome feedback from others on whether the Oneida Supercell might be the best option under these circumstances, even though it is a bit pricey compared to other dust collectors.

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#15 posted 08-22-2019 01:56 AM

The price is some thing to consider as in getting a high end shop vac for some tools and a small/short cyclone for the same price?

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