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Forum topic by PhotonSnell posted 07-23-2019 12:56 PM 613 views 0 times favorited 7 replies Add to Favorites Watch
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PhotonSnell

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07-23-2019 12:56 PM

Topic tags/keywords: target coating em1000 em8000cv conversation varnish finish table

I am currently starting to build a dining table with a hickory top and walnut base and I am trying to figure out the best way to finish it. I am very new to woodworking, so sorry if any of my questions are silly.

My goal is to keep both the hickory and walnut natural, but I would also like to bring out the grain (I want a more modern look). I considered pure tung oil, but I don’t think it would be durable enough.

Lately, I have been considering using Target Coating’s EM1000 sanding sealer and EM8000cv conversation varnish. I have a 4 stage turbine HVLP system, so spraying a finish is doable.

My first question is whether Target Coating’s EM1000 and EM8000cv are a good option. Are there better options for durability and looks?

My second question is whether I should use the crosslinker with EM8000cv (using the crosslinker hardens the finish, I guess, but is it worth it?).

My third question is how to get a smooth finish. I refinished an oaf kitchen table earlier this year using Target Coating’s EM8000cv conversation varnish. Overall, I liked the result, but you could still feel the grain. Would the sanding sealer help fill the grain?

My fourth question is what level of gloss to get. I want a relatively flat look. Is there any reason not to go for a satin or flat finish (from reading forums, it seems like some people get gloss and rub the finish to get a flatter look).

I greatly appreciate any help forum members can provide.


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Robert

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#1 posted 07-23-2019 02:01 PM

IMO EM8000 is an excellent option for a dining table. I have used it and very happy with it.

Personal preference but I don’t like a glossy finish so I went with satin.

I don’t think the cross linker is necessary but you can always call TC and ask them. I think that may be more applicable to a pigmented lacquer.

I did not do much the finish seemed to smooth on its own. I lightly buffed with 400grit between coats (3 coats).

Good luck I think you’ve made a great choice!

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#2 posted 07-23-2019 02:35 PM

I use General Finishes Arm R Seal for my dining room tables with excellent results. If I want to fill the grain for a smoother finish, I use Aqua Coat to the level I want filled and then start with a coat of gloss ARS. Followed by two more coats of the sheen I want (Semi Gloss/ Stain).

To achieve a really smooth finish, I’ll put on 5-6 coats and the then after curing for 7-10 days, I rub out with ROS starting at 600 and going up to 1500 (satin) or 2000 (satin +). By using a satin finish on the table the sheen will stay satin but the smoothness is very impressive; if that is what you’re after.

I use Target products as well and highly recommend them. I just like the finish I get with ARS and I don’t have a dedicated spray booth for shooting. I have to set up a small canopy outside the shop and that presents some problems of its own. Having said that, I’ve shot Target Coatings sanding sealer as well as their pigmented lacquers with excellent results.

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#3 posted 07-24-2019 02:52 AM

EM8000CV is a very durable product. Be aware that it has a very slight amber tone compared to the other Target products, which are water white. I use the sealer as my first coat, grain fill with Aquacoat if needed, then two coats of gloss to build topped with satin to cut the sheen. The satin is pretty flat in my opinion. I personally don’t use the cross linker, but if you use it be sure you are power mixing as you pour it in and let it set overnight. If not vigorously mixed when adding the cross linker, you run the risk of getting a sandy texture in the finish. Personally I like the EM6000 due to the future repairability. Check out the dining table and chairs in my gallery, both are finished with EM6000 as noted above.

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#4 posted 07-24-2019 03:55 PM

I use and really like Target products. I use em6000 and em9000. Not sure there is much difference between 8000 and 9000. For a dining table top I recommend the crosslinker – cant have too much abrasion/chemical resistance for that app. I used it on my daughters dining table 12 yrs ago, still holding up well. No need to power mix it – Target provides instructions. Main thing is giving it time to mix with the emulsified finish – I think 1 hour.

Practice – complete your entire finish schedule on scrap before starting the finish on the project. Wb doesnt flow well initially, looks bumpy and crappy then 10 min later has flowed out and looks nice.

All of the Target products are self sealing, no real need for a sealer.

Target sells a grain filler hsf5000 you could check into.

I think you can buy the flatting agent, buy gloss finish, then mix your own gloss level. Its what I do. I have Targets mixing rates by sheen but they should provide them. This allows a lot of flexibility for various applications.

Be aware that no wb product creates chatoyance, the tiger eye effect, like oil based products. With a low gloss this is not real important as the light is scattered so much by the flatting agent that you cant really tell.

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#5 posted 07-24-2019 04:46 PM

You’ll get many different opinions about how/what to finish a dining room table with. Essentially, the most things you need to consider:
-no finish is indestructible
-the more durable the finish at the outset, the harder it is to repair it in the future.

I use an oil based wiping varnish on most of my furniture, including tables that I’ve made. Nothing brings out the grain like oil and if the finish gets damaged it is an easy repair.

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#6 posted 07-24-2019 05:18 PM

No need to power mix it – Target provides instructions. Main thing is giving it time to mix with the emulsified finish – I think 1 hour.

- OSU55

I should clarify that my recommendation to power mix it and let it sit overnight before spraying came from a conversation I had with Jeff Weiss at Target. I sprayed some sample panels when I first started using the Target products and had a batch of the cross-linked come out like someone threw a handful of sand in the wet finish. According to Jeff the cross-linker is sensitive to being very thoroughly mixed. He recommends power mixing the base while very slowly adding the cross linker and letting it sit overnight before spraying.

I’m sure you can get good results otherwise, but based on my experience I wouldn’t risk it especially given Jeff’s advice.

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OSU55

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#7 posted 07-24-2019 09:18 PM

I dont question Jeff’s advice. Suspect he gave you that additional process since you had issues. I have used the product many times successfully following the product instructions – stir the finish while slowly adding cl-100, continue stiring several minutes, let set min 2 hrs.

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